Can someone provide some color on why a state actor would advertise such a feat? Now that this is public, I imagine Tesla can and likely will work to block access.
The issue was that Tesla was only providing certain data that was being asked for.
You wouldn't know that it would be possible to ask for more information, unless you knew they were collecting it.
Now they know Tesla has this information they should be able to get it from them regardless if they have to decrypt it themselves or not.
(Unless Tesla decides to stop collecting data for some reason.)
Only if Tesla purjured themselves during discovery. That's not the way court cases work. You can ask "Do you guys record the accelerometer data anywhere else but on the MCU?" and they have to answer truthfully.
What you write here mostly amounts to a conspiracy theory. You're taking the idea that Tesla is "hiding something nefarious" as a prior and then taking evidence that their storage was reverse engineered as evidence for that prior.
But that's not how engineering works either.
But I suppose Tesla isn't hiding anything nefarious. Most of their malfeasance is plain to see.
Most legal precedent I’ve seen says a lot less time than they’ve already delayed it, frankly.
Everyone knows that Elon Musk's twitter is not a reliable indicator of feature release dates.
First part yes, second part no. It has been in development since at least 2015 and still drives straight into walls. Meanwhile Waymo and Cruze are putting down tens of thousands of miles between interventions.
It's fraud when someone is harmed. People like you who didn't buy the product and don't want it don't have standing here. People like me, who did, do. And almost without exception, we're all lined up to get the beta release. Offer me a $10k refund today in exchange for never getting access to FSD releases, and I'd turn it down.
"People willfully paying for something I don't like" isn't fraud. Find a FSD owner willing to sue for a refund.
It wouldn't. It would be an existence proof that this isn't fraud: I want the product, they offer it as a pre-purchase with disclaimers, I bought it, ergo I wasn't harmed. Getting a refund now for a product a fully intend to purchase again in the future is called a "loan".
Again, fraud is a crime. It requires damages. I have to have been harmed.
Yes, it would. Because then I would want a refund. But that would be asserting facts not in evidence, and I refer to my point upthread about arguing from a conspiracy as a prior.
Being convicted of drug possession being one really clear example - there is often no need to even prove the person was aware of the existence of the drugs. Mere actual possession is usually enough (depending on the jurisdiction). And there is no need to prove the person intended to sell, distribute, harm, or even do anything with them. Even if the person literally was taking them to be destroyed, they can still be convicted of the crime.
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
So if Tesla is knowingly taking pre-orders for FSD without being certain on when they could deliver it _and_ they don't make it clear that they don't know when or if FSD could be delivered, that would likely qualify as fraud.
And given the length of time it’s been going, at some point someone is going to call time and it’s going to be a big mess for Tesla. Unless they actually deliver it.
No pressure!
2. Tesla is currently advertising their cars as being capable of driving themselves. They have videos of people driving with their hands off the wheel. They have failed to implement safety features that make drivers pay attention while using driver assists. People have died because of this.
3. There are no FSD owners because FSD does not exists.
4. You are a victim too. You will realize it someday.
5. I sure as hell have standing. Have you seen the video of the current FSD version? It just plain does not work and is being released on public roads for "testing" by untrained drivers. Tesla is putting my life in danger, and shame on you for going along with it.
If they know it’s there and can proactively argue it’s appropriate, that changes the equation dramatically.
Fundamentally this process isn't any different than reverse engineering. If a good hacker can figure out how something works based on knowledge of the problem domain and technology in use, then those same questions can be answered in a deposition and provided via discovery, by definition.
AGAIN you are arguing from a conspiracy as a prior. There is no "information" to "get out". The car stores telemetry and sensor input. We always knew that. This is a story about someone figuring out how to recover it.
Rather no one dumps everything in a deposition. If there is something that could help opposing counsel, then it will be avoided as best as possible. This is basic law 101.
Just because you, and some others, know exactly what is there (presumably) doesn’t mean everyone else does! And I’ve seen first hand how opposing counsels can screw themselves over by not spending time and effort to figure out how the technology actually works, and many times plaintiffs don’t either, so they just don’t know where to poke.
And that is avoiding that knowledge of a previously hidden area (such as if something is recoverable that seems like it should not be because they have the wrong assumptions or don’t know how it actually works internally!) can radically change the actual strategy and applicable law.
You seem to keep asserting that everyone already knows everything and all optimal strategies are already known because of this, which does not apply to the real world at all.
Totally. I've played this game with FOIA (public records requests). It's exhausting. Of course they had the data. But as a private citizen, I had to prove they had the data before I could request it.