What will be the last straw for people to demand a refund for the "full self driving" that is still not delivered? Will it be when Tesla says they now need lidar after all?
If it were as simple as "their system would just work if there was lidar" I'd bet there'd be a lidar test fleet of FSD teslas that would train the lidar-blind cars in a sort of shadow-mode, similar to what was done for vision-only replacement of radar.
Here is "full self driving" perceiving that it would be a great idea to drive directly into a pole:
Especially given this. Even once it works, “full self driving” won’t do fully autonomous driving?!
Those that complain are 100% in the "don't own FSD" bucket. Prove me wrong. Find me one owner of FSD that is so dis-satisfied that he demanded a refund.
Those who do pay for FSD use terms like "my mind is blown", "it's amazing". They do videos, evangelize the product and wait until midnight on Friday (that's when Tesla releases updates) so that they can test it at 2 am in the morning.
You can make what you will out of this.
To me it shows that product is great already and will be very successful when finished.
The complainers that never used the product are noise.
Absolutely. Then you tell them you heard the car does odd things like randomly coming to a full stop and they say "well, yeah it does and it sucks, but it will totally be perfect one day."
It's funny how people can change their attitudes towards something when they've sunk $10,000 into it.
Lots of other people have various levels of automation working reasonably well. None of them have the absolute hubris to sell it as "full self driving" before it's any of those things.
Waymo is doing a decent job of navigating, slowly but reasonably safely, around an insanely well mapped and limited region.
GM's Cruise products seem reasonable enough, from what I've read. They're limited to limited access highways, have some good driver attention monitoring to make sure the human is paying attention, and seem to limit the regions to "that which they have high confidence they can actually do."
Tesla, if you listen to their own hype, makes things that resemble SAE Level 5 claims, except they deliver remarkably little of it. Having charged obscenely for it in the process.
Your claim has absolutely nothing to do with the reality outside Tesla's bubble of their own making. Except, they've chosen an approach that seems more and more unlikely to actually work.
Autopilot comes for free with Tesla.
I don't know of any car that gives Autopilot-like functionality for free. I'm certain BMW doesn't, I'm certain GM's Blue Cruise and Ford's Co-Pilot is a paid add on.
FSD provides functionality that isn't available on any car you can buy.
Specifically the $10k pays for:
- Navigate on Autopilot
- Auto Lane Change
- Autopark
- Summon
- Full Self-Driving Computer
- Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control
Those are FSD feature that are fully released.
The beta adds autosteer on city streets.
Navigate on autopilot I dont know what that means.
Self parking is available on other cars, Volkswagen, Audi, and more. Even the base Prius practically parks itself.
Traffic light and stop sign: what's the point of this if you have to maintain awareness anyway since it's not really full self driving?
https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/4lmsbyy8k/albuquerque-dist...
Also, just check Tesla forums if you want high volume evidence. You are hereby proven wrong.
Automatic lanekeeping on the highway and stoplight stop/go were groundbreaking when Tesla launched them, and these are the features that I get the most value from. The rest of FSD as currently demonstrated is parlor tricks.
Automatic lanekeeping was originally made by Mobileye and available on Teslas and Nissans. I don't know about stoplight stop/go, but perhaps that is one of the reasons Teslas randomly make unwarranted stops?
For the stoplights, no, phantom braking sadly predates that feature. It occurs during normal driving when the car erroneously perceives a phantom object appearing in front of the car and hits the brakes. The stoplight response, in my experience, is actually much more reliable, inclusive of stopping for reds / stopsigns, and automatically proceeding if there is a green light and a car in front of you.