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I'll pay the extra money and get the valve index just to avoid doing business with FB

Not wireless, don't care.

Glib but true. Wireless Vs. non-wireless is apples vs. oranges, now that I've experienced apples I want apples and Valve is only currently selling oranges.

Plus you're comparing a "good enough" $300 device to a superior but cost prohibitive $1K device. I feel like people who compare a Valve Index to a Quest really don't get what makes Quest uniquely good to its audience currently.

Nobody is denying that the Index is technologically superior across the board, what I am saying is that the measures we're using are completely different. I consider the Steam Deck a closer comparison than the Index for example.

Also outside in vs. inside out tracking. Being able to take the Quest from living room to rec room without setting up cameras is a game changer.

And if you care about the higher performance you can still tether yourself to a gaming pc.

Well let's get some edumacation goin here, you can be wireless. Tracking is night and day on a vive vs. fb trash device. Are you really running around with a vr headset on? No, you mostly stay in one area and usually the same one. My vive pro not only has insanely good tracking. The video is amazing and the tracking, you can't say enough good things about it. Vive costs more because it's that much better. So while I'd buy the facebook trash costs less, that's the only reason to get one. Not even imo, fact.

You replied to the wrong post. My post was a response to one comparing the Quest to the Valve Index, whereas your post is seemingly something about Quest Vs. Vive Pro.

Although regardless of who you were trying to respond to, comes across likely ruder than you intended just fyi.

> Tracking is night and day on a vive vs. fb trash device

Is it though? I mean given the price difference it should be miles ahead. However I don't see any meaningful difference between the two.

Yes, in low light it might suffer, but then occluded base stations will cock up the vive

Theres more than 2 VR headsets, Quest and Index, available at the moment. Just have a brief look. https://www.vr-compare.com/

Eg. If you want wireless one like the quest, the HTC Vive Focus or HTC Vive Focus plus have similar specs to quest 2.. they can play games by themselves without a pc and are wireless

If you have a pc and want higher resolution / framerate like the index then DecaGear and HP Reverb G2 look good.

I would not get a quest cus of fb, and apparently atm the build quality of index is atrocious.

> atm the build quality of index is atrocious.

I've dropped mine, walked in to objects several times. Had the light house trackers fall from a distance and ripped the DP plug out of its port. I've had no issue with the quality; actually been quite impressed.

What source of claims are you using here?

There's a few VR reviews on YouTube. Many things break for a lot of the user base. One reviewer has been through three headsets and a bunch of controllers. The RMA process is good.

The Vive Focus is marketed as a business headset.

Index: €1100 + the cost for a VR-capable PC, if you don't already have one

Quest 2: €350, standalone

They're not really in the same class at all.

It looks like Valve is making their own standalone VR headset ,and made Steam Deck along the way to meet minimal amount of orders for custom chip. The chip can deliver 2.5 TFlops if it's clocked like other RDNA2 GPUs, it's almost 2x of Quest 2 GPU performance. Not sure about price though, it will be definitely higher than 300$ of heavily subsidized Quest 2, and I think price will be closer to current "Oculus for Business" offering, which is 800$. Not sure how it will compete with project Cambria.

Is there any actual substance behind this rumor? It is propagating without not even a shred of supporting evidence.

Mostly SteamVR datamining. But it's a reasonable thing to do and SteamDeck looks like a nice byproduct.

There is, but it's not even close to being here yet so I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up. Meta's Cambria will be released before Valve's wireless headset.

I sort of have a hard time dishing out $999 for a Index but I’m also in the same boat regarding FB. I don’t want anything to do with them. Even though they have all my information from back in the day when I used it.

I’m holding out. Even if it means waiting several years before getting into VR or AR.

Valve left the ship of VR, pain me to say it but Facebook is the future.

Facebook is an obsolete term.

How many people refer to the Blackwater PMC as "XE" or "Academi" after THEY changed their name following weeks of massively bad PR?

I doubt Facebook's name change is driven by the last few weeks of bad PR. The relevant model seems Google's change to Alphabet, which wasn't driven at all by an attempt to flee the negative associations with their previous name.

I agree Zuckerberg had probably been thinking about it, particularly since Snow Crash is assigned reading for some of his employees.

It seems, though, that the timeline was moved up dramatically to both distract from other Facebook-related news, and to escape from the toxic branding that is Facebook at this point.

Switching to a name which is already a common english word with many uses, seems like an attempt to make future criticism more confusing, as well.

This was in works since early 2019. Changing structure of a big company and all the bang associated with it takes long.

wait, the legal structure is different now?

how so?

Do you really buy into that

I wouldn't count them off that easily. Valve is making their own autonomous headset, should be out next year. It will be more expensive, yes. But it will be faster and it will be full blown Linux PC with access to whole library of PC games. Might be very competitive(still will lag in units sold though, but mostly due to supply constraints). Any you shouldn't forget that Sony is still on the market(autonomous PSVR is not out of the question) and Apple is making their own headset.

You're a Ghot damn American patriot! Thank you for not giving Facebook money, glad to hear there are other ethical people with at least half an eye open. I'd upvote this a billion times but once will have to do ;)

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