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You log into an ipad. What's the difference?

I do not own an iPad. Also... do you really have to? I haven't used an iOS in a little bit now.

Apple is hardly the model for technology we should be using these days. Their walled garden has rotten fruit and it doesn't even get you drunk, you simply fall ill.

You have to if you want to install any software. Even free apps from the app store. No side loading allowed.

I don't own an iPad, but I flashed my tablet with an Android Open Source Project ROM so that I have the option to not send data to anybody I don't want to.

Is Facebook planning to let us do this? Or are they just changing the brand logo on the login page for their required login?

I use a pin code or thumbprint to unlock my iPad and login to Apples store

I can root it and install alternative store

What alternative software can I run on Occulus?

That and all the extra engineering for managing users for business reasons not technical wastes real resources to prop up a technology company that isn’t interested in novel discovery, but servicing contemporary business obligations

If they’re so smart and capable of pulling useful metadata off unstructured data, why do they need me to maintain a specific profile?

Really kind of feels like they rely on having concrete data and the meta part is marketing

You realize iOS roots are developed by third-party geeks and void your warranty (unless that changed in the years since I've interacted with iOS, but I'd be shocked)? Maybe we should indeed force hardware manufacturers to offer a rooting/open OS option by default, but it's a weird criticism when you start off the comment by licking Apple's boot. Further, Facebook actually does offer to open up your deprecated Oculus Go headset now that they are done with the 2 years of guaranteed support to its devs. As such, people can keep tinkering and keeping it up to date (Carmack's opening remarks yesterday address this) with the help of Facebook. That puts them quite objectively ahead of Apple in this regard, the company which was fined in court [1] for draining older iPhone's batteries and slowing them down thru software updates.

Guaranteed all these people in this thread wouldn't be losing their shit over a hardware account if it wasn't from Facebook's holdco. Forcing a Facebook account was creepy, a dedicated Oculus (well, Meta) account is normal and defensible.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/tech/apple-battery-settlement...

> I can root it and install alternative store

Well if you can root an Oculus you can do whatever you want there as well. That's the whole point of... root.

A massive network of cross-site tracking and a terrible track record for protecting personal information.

I mean, thats a complete lie. Got anything else?

Oh? The overwhelming majority of people don't log into Apple accounts when setting up their ipads?

Do better.

Heya, I noticed that, in responding, you switched your premise from, "You log into an ipad", to, 'The overwhelming majority of people log into their apple accounts when setting up their ipads'.

Since this is disingenuous on your part, telling the person you responded to, to "do better" seems hypocritical.

I wonder who you think I meant by "you"? Did you assume I specifically know the parent in person and how they use their ipad at home? If so, and I can only assume you did otherwise your comment would be nonsense, I can see how that would be confusing and seem disingenuous to you.

If you're suggesting that by "you", you meant "The overwhelming majority of people who set up ipads", that doesn't sound like a very credible retroactive explanation.

Like, it's confusing for sure, but not on the part of the reader. It doesn't even make sense. Most people don't even _have_ ipads.

And even if they did, you're basically saying, "this small subset of self-selecting people who are okay with their tablet requiring a login to work, are okay with their devices requiring a login to work", which isn't very convincing to others, either.

And even if _that_ made sense, 'these other people are okay with it' is probably one of the weakest possible arguments in favor of /anything/.

> this small subset of self-selecting people who are okay with their tablet requiring a login to work, are okay with their devices requiring a login to work

I'll go ahead and assume English isn't your first language. I was saying the vast majority of people who own ipads are fine with needing to login to an account to get the most out of it. Doesn't seem like a particularly controversial statement.

Now go ahead and find some way in which the above sentence is technically incorrect, but you're starting to look silly.

How does the statement "the vast majority of people who own ipads are fine with needing to log into their device" convince those who do not, and are not?

You can just click the skip button and use an iOS device without any account. Whether or not people want to do this is an entirely different conversation but Apple does not require it.

You do better and stop moving the goalposts and lying.

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