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But unlike every other nation on Earth, they took over land belonging to others!

In case people don't notice, that's extreme sarcasm.

Every nation on Earth has taken over others, just look at the native peoples of every country in North and South America, of Nordic Countries, Australia.

Look at how Europe's borders were re-written 1000 times. Africa. The Middle East.

If the beef is (and it seems to be for some) that they "took land", get over it. Because where you live "took land" too.

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I'd like to point out that the current generation of both the palestinians and the jews did not take or give land. The people who did are pretty much gone. At this point, there's not much to be done - both sides were both there.

A more interesting discussion, I think, is why does Hamas consistently reject the Israeli peace offering and two state solution?

> I'd like to point out that the current generation of both the palestinians and the jews did not take or give land.

This is simply not correct. Israel's borders have continued to expand in the 21st century.

In this we agree. The Occupied Territories are IMO a travesty.

A problem is Israel is still expanding. Even the US discourages their building of new settlements in the west bank. I fear that if left alone they will kill all Palestinians who opose.

And yet, if another country invaded your country and tried to take your land, you’d think it an injustice, no? Or would you be telling yourself that it’s no big deal, after all, our ancestors took this land from some forgotten people as well?

So what makes "your land" your land? By your logic, couldn't you say Israel is now the land of the Israel people, so it is their right to defend it?

Do you see it as a grave injustice when Syrian or other Muslim refugees settle Europe? I mean they do sway the demography quite a bit in certain places.

For me that's argument against glorifying past of your nation (because every state was built on violence and conquest) rather than pro-annexing territories.

Humans genocided other people for tens thousands of years. That's not a good reason to morally justify genocide today.

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