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Not based on fact? Which facts are those? Certainly not these ones I'm guessing?

https://www.uq.edu.au/news/article/2021/01/long-term-study-r...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

Your first link's sample pool was high schoolers and young 20 y/os - people who haven't had their brains fully form yet (which happens around 25). Further, it was funded by the Australian department of health, so ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there.

I can't even open your second link.

Picking sources from a Google search generally doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw.

This is the most biased answer I've ever read I believe.

How so? I pointed out a flaw in responding to my question with a study performed on adolescants.

Did he say anything disprovably false?

I mean, I'm also arguing against him in this thread, but this comment in particular doesn't really stand out to me

doesn't help to back up whatever point you're trying to make fwiw

Neither does going "ehhh who knows what sort of biases exist there". What are you implying here, the people running the experiment are all inveterate stoners or something?

Do you want to address the main point of my comment or focus solely on the secondary point I made?

Here's what his second link landed on, for me:

https://accp1.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/...

Thanks. I don't think that person actually read the study, they just wanted to slap some things onto their bias to prove their point - as I said.

That study tested the effects of withdrawal within long-term users, and the cognitive impairment resulting from that, over 28 days of abstinence.

From the conclusion:

> It is unclear whether these deficits might be attributable to a residue of cannabinoids in the central nervous system or to withdrawal effects from abruptly stopping cannabis, although both factors likely contribute. In any event, our data suggest that these deficits are largely or completely reversible after 28 days of abstinence.

So, this study found no evidence long-term permanent cognitive impairment, which does nothing to prove the point the person who posted it was trying to make.

Worth noting that cannabis is illegal in Australia, so if anything it could point towards people willing to ignore the law are more likely to X and Y rather than the cannabis being the cause.

But I'm just playing devils advocate here, I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.

> I doubt daily consumption of any stimulant is great in the long term, but cannabis is probably not worse than anything else really.

I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that cannabis is a lot worse than caffeine in this respect. I have known quite a few people who smoked cannabis daily, and while they didn't seem to notice they were mentally slow (compared to their normal selves) and almost entirely unmotivated.

Still better than alcoholism of course. But we shouldn't pretend that their aren't issues with every day cannabis use.

I mean it all depends on dosage right? And if you're smoking more CBD or THC. I had a friend who overconsumed caffeine until his heart rhythm started going bananas and he was hospitalized. But I've known many people who got stuck in the druggo trench, be it because of cannabis or not, a common denominator was they were all smoking weed.

Well sure, but that's true of literally everything. Drink too much water and you'll be in hospital. A small enough amount of cyanide will be fine. I think it's fair to assume a "normal dose".

I mean if we are going with “knowing people” as an anecdote, I know a LOT of extremely rich, successful, and motivated people (especially in SF and NYC) who smoke cannabis basically nonstop.

Daily smoking of tobacco has a distinct effect on peoples lungs, while daily drinking of alcohol as a distinct effect on peoples liver. Smoking of cannabis has both effects, through how much on each is still being debated.

I think we can however be fairly confident that daily consumption of tea and coffee is safer in term of stimulants. Not many develop chronic bronchitis from tea.

Just as an FYI, medical cannabis is legal in Australia, though AFAIK it is only available privately, and the system is over-burdened with regulations and costs (similar to the situation in the UK).

Indeed surprisingly, cannabis can have bad effects on human. This has been taken I to account in a French case where murder of an old lady was declared not responsible due to its cannabis consumption.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56929040

The handful of French nationals I know regard that case as a grotesque miscarriage of justice emblematic of the double standard by which French and EU laws essentially do not apply to third-world economic migrants.

Irrespective of the judgment made, the expert mandated for that case( they were two distincts group) concluded the same. The cannabis hashad an effect on the behaviour.

I use the case as an illustrative example of the effect of the cannabis. Not judging the case here

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