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Comment by Syonyk | Hacker News Reader

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I can't speak to the person you're asking, but I very much have eliminated Apple products from my daily use as a result of CSAM - though it was on top of a range of other things (mostly China related) that told me I can no longer really trust Apple.

I've scrapped out a perfectly good (and exceedingly nice to use) M1 Mini, I no longer use a 2015 MBP, I've shut down my iPhone (not quite for good, I still have to figure out how to move my Signal root of identity off it), and I no longer use an iPad for work reference PDFs.

I've replaced these with far less functional "But I'm making them work" sort of devices. An AT&T Flip IV for phone stuff (KaiOS, handles basic calls and texts, and not much else, though it does have GPS and maps, and can do email if you let it), a Kobo Elipsa + KOReader for PDF support, and I've spent a good bit of time tweaking a PineBook Pro into my daily driver laptop.

The general view I have of Apple at this point is, "Oh, we know what kind of company you are, now we're just haggling over details."[0]

To whine about Apple doing stuff and continue to use them says, "Yes, it's important enough to complain about online, but not important enough to alter how I use their products - therefore, not really important at all."

[0]: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/07/haggling/

It's funny, the Apple CSAM issue got me to de-google and de-MS as much as possible. I didn't use Apple, but I figured the others won't be any better. That worked very well in private life, professionally it is Windows and will be for the foreseeable future. That leaves Windows machines for the kids to run MS Office and Teams for school.

> I've scrapped out a perfectly good (and exceedingly nice to use) M1 Mini

Given that the CSAM issue turns out to be moot, I assume you feel regret at doing this.

Not really. It's forced me to evaluate what I actually need (not much) vs what I'd prefer (fancy, nice, expensive systems because... well, why, of course I need them!).

I'd love an ODroid N2+ with 8GB RAM, though. Twice the CPU performance of a Pi4 but it's pretty RAM choked with only 4GB.

I see, so you felt regret for buying a computer you didn’t need and claimed it was because of CSAM but that was actually a lie.

Now you are promoting the ODroid N2+ which is completely irrelevant to this thread.

I've had Mac desktops in my office for about 20 years at this point, to include a mirror door G4, a G5, a sunflower iMac, a 27" iMac, a 2018 Mac Mini (what an absolute turd for anything more complex than a static desktop, the GPU was horrid), and the M1 Mini. At no point did I really evaluate that my needs over time have changed, I just always had a Mac desktop, and, through most of that time, a Mac laptop. It was my default computing base, plus a range of Linux boxes.

The CSAM thing was the final straw for me with Apple, and as it turns out, my needs have rather significantly decreased over time, as the lower power hardware has increased in capability, though... sadly not as much RAM as I'd find useful.

It turns out that I don't actually need Apple hardware to do that which I now care to do with computers. And one of those replacements was a N2+, which, while a bit sharp around some edges, is actually a tolerably usable little Linux desktop.

You can call it what you want, I'm just describing what I've done in response to the changes in how Apple has chosen to treat their users.

The nature of the computing ecosystems have changed around me, such that I chose to make changes. I don't particularly regret the decision any more than I would selling a vehicle that no longer suits my needs when I move.

> The CSAM thing was the final straw for me with Apple.

A final straw which never actually happened. They in fact listened to users saying how unpopular this would be, and changed course.

> I'm just describing what I've done in response to the changes in how Apple has chosen to treat their users.

No, you are describing what you’ve done in response to a demonstrably false belief about how Apple has chosen to treat their users.

> “Update: Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer told The Verge that though the CSAM detection feature is no longer mentioned on its website, plans for CSAM detection have not changed since September, which means CSAM detection is still coming in the future.”

It's still coming.

Is it? What makes you think that?

Edit:

Please don’t retroactively edit your comment to make the comment that follows it look misplaced.

It is a dishonest tactic that makes you look like a bad faith commenter. Who can trust that anything you have written hasn’t been altered after the fact?

There is no reason you couldn’t have included that quote as a reply to my question instead of silently editing it in to make it look as if it has always been there.

I'm not sure why you're flying off the handle when I'm quite obviously not the poster above. I have no intentions of re-formatting my comments here, just informing you of the status quo right now.

> Is it? What makes you think that?

The Verge reached out to Apple[0] and Apple confirmed that their CSAM scanning feature is still coming.

> When reached for comment, Apple spokesperson Shane Bauer said that the company’s position hasn’t changed since September, when it first announced it would be delaying the launch of the CSAM detection. “Based on feedback from customers, advocacy groups, researchers, and others, we have decided to take additional time over the coming months to collect input and make improvements before releasing these critically important child safety features,” the company’s September statement read.

So yes, they still fully intend to push the update. You should probably take this less personally too, your arguments are only suffering by attacking people who are just trying to chip in their two cents.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/15/22837631/apple-csam-dete...

> I'm quite obviously not the poster above.

You are in fact the one who dishonestly edited your comment. That’s what I was pointing out, and it was you and not the commenter before that I was replying to. We can see your name.

Trying to pretend otherwise is either delusion, or more dishonesty.

I agree that the update provided by the verge suggests that apple has not abandoned this plan yet.

What are you even talking about? Can you provide me a link to the specific comment that I had modified here? I'm genuinely lost.

In any case, that's not a refutation or response to the link I sent.

Here is the comment you edited after I asked the question in the comment that follows it. When you first posted it you didn’t provide a quote.

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569282

I don’t need to refute your response. In fact after seeing the update I agree that CSAM is not yet defeated.

That doesn’t change the fact that your commenting tactics are dishonest. That is the problem here. You cannot be trusted not to edit upthread comments.

At no point did I ever edit that comment. It's contents were, since the time of posting, a quote and simply "It's still coming."

I legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. This is either an extremely confusing attempt to gaslight me or you're mistaking me for someone else. In any case, I don't really know what else to add here. Do you remember what was supposedly the original contents of this comment? We're really getting nowhere here pointing fingers.

This isn’t true.

You posted “it’s still coming”, and only added the quote later after my reply.

“moot” - nope, see below.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29569782

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