I tend to run numbers here and compare to events I'm worried or not worried about. I can live with 1:10,000 risks.
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/facts-statistics-mortalit...
Do you have better stats?
Good ballparks:
* 1:10,000 odds of being killed in or by a car.
* 1:100 odds of being injured in or by a car.
Your page, by the way, suggests 1:2000 for accidents. 49.3:100,000 = 1:2000, not 1:8393. The 1:8393 is for car accidents (which I guess includes being in a car, rather than just hit by a car).
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...
Whenever we vaccinate to prevent mortality; generally we vaccinate to mitigate both morbidity and mortality from a disease.
And yes, the virus prevents heart complications from infection, because it prevents symptomatic infection.
Death rate on both is close to 0. My point is if the vaccine doesn’t prevent infection (protecting other people) the vaccine risk vs reward is negligible for this age group. It should be purely up to the person to make their own decision. Not anyone else’s. Treat it like the flu shot.
I was vaccinated when I saw 90% at preventing infections, but now that’s been disproven I’ll call it how I see it. I’m moving on.
It was 90% before mutations for two doses
The death rate on both are very low but much higher for the virus. However, the risk of hospitalization is significant with the virus, and much, much higher than with the vaccine.
I don't want to be hospitalized. That's a very bad time. The people that may die because I took up a hospital spot probably agree.
The flu doesn't threaten to collapse the healthcare system without vaccines. COVID does.
Yeah it does, even with vaccines...
(2014) https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/flu-patients-fill-north-te...
(2015) https://abcnews.go.com/Health/flu-closes-schools-flusters-ho...
(2016) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/10/nhs-hospital...
(2017) https://www.france24.com/en/20170111-french-hospitals-cancel...
(2018) https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie...
It's a pretty consistent pattern: Every flu season, hospitals are overwhelmed by the flu. Those links are just from date-range searches and copying the first result (hence bouncing around countries); each year had plenty more from other countries.
Even with unprecedented non-pharmaceutical interventions and with vaccines, many first world countries were at the point where they had to cancel cancer surgeries that were not immediately crucial to survival. That's not something that happens with the flu.
Now the flu is very serious as your links show. The flu vaccine is around 40% effective against hospitalization (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33378531/), and around 70% of seniors are vaccinated against the flu, for a total reduction of around 28%.
If we removed that reduction, the flu could still not be severe enough to lead to a complete collapse of the healthcare system without serious intervention. With COVID, that is guaranteed to happen.
But you're right in that the flu is a serious disease that puts a lot of strain on the healthcare system and I can understand how my comment could lead to underestimating that.
No, this is the rate of hospitalization or death due to myocarditis.
> The outcomes of interest in this study were hospital admission or death from myocarditis. Myocarditis was defined as the first hospital admission in the study period or death using International Classification of Diseases (ICD)-10 codes (Supplementary Table 6).
See : https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/hospitals/going-into-hospita...
Polio.
* Around 72% have no symptoms.
* Around 25% have flu-like symptoms.
* The remaining 3% develop serious symptoms/damage.
* Paralytic polio hits around 0.5%, of which around 5-10% die when the paralysis reaches the lungs.
So including all infections, not just paralytic polio as you'll find in most searches (where they give the 5-10% statistic), the death rate was around 0.01% - 0.025%