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If there is a lot to complain about, why wouldn't you want to buy something else?

Because the alternatives are worse. Bolt EV LG Chem battery recall, Taycan is woefully inadequate for the price point, Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious), Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc.

My Model S frunk recall appointment with a mobile tech coming to the home to perform took less than three minutes in app to schedule.

That’s funny. I’d buy a Taycan but never a Model S.

Taycan and Tesla don't even fit to same sentence. Tesla is literally Lada in terms of build qualify comparing to any major car manufacturer.

Can you give out some examples here? I saw Tesla’s Model Y in person and the build quality seemed on par if not better than my 3-series.

While I have my doubts with the build quality (initial Model 3s had panel gaps my finger could fit in), my low opinion of Teslas goes far beyond merely their inability to put a sheet a metal on straight, or merely make sure the colors match[0].

The Model S interior is ugly and empty, and the Tesla infotainment system is a joke. Just integrate with CarPlay, and toss that Mickey Mouse crap like off brand maps and streaming services.

[0] https://www.thedrive.com/news/22951/new-tesla-model-3-with-m...

atleast the 5 centimeter panel gaps on your lada are consistent across the car...

Tesla has bumped the price of their vehicles _at least_ three times this year, in some cases well over $10K in total, so it's not all that much different to "market adjustments".

Not sure how a $5K refundable deposit is "obnoxious". Sure, it's less convenient than the Tesla deposit, but it wasn't like that money wasn't earmarked anyway. (And if you're in the market for a $50-75K vehicle and the difference between a couple of hundred and couple of thousand down is a deal breaker for you, you could argue affordability).

The manufacturer bumping the price due to demand and supply chain issues is one thing, dealers gouging is entirely different (pure profit for adding no value). Musk was entirely right that dealers would be an impediment to EV adoption.

https://jalopnik.com/dealers-say-salespeople-still-arent-rea...

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15346108/some-dealerships...

https://www.fastcompany.com/90294305/car-companies-put-in-a-...

Edit: @FireBeyond I don’t believe I’ll be able to help with the confusion

And yet, somehow, all the other manufacturers are not bumping the price at wholesale.

I'm confused.

How is a manufacturer raising prices due to demand “adding value”, but doing it at the dealership is not?

Check out the definition of "rent seeking".

Check out the Audi etron GT. Its built on the same platform as the Taycan, but much sexier and also cheaper.

>Ford dealers are adding $10k-$30k “market adjustments” to Mach Es and $5k-$10k for F150 Lightning reservations (which is obnoxious)

The price of Teslas went up by 10k+ this year and Teslas famously have reservation costs, so I don't see how that's different at all.

> Teslas have the Supercharger network, frequent over the air updates, a robust battery warranty, strong resale market, etc.

This sentence, the propoints, seem important and barely added as an afterthought. Given that Tesla has been starting to open up its supercharger network, does that change your view of its value?

You consider frequent over the air updates to be a benefit. Can I ask why? It seems like you're at the mercy of Tesla's software QA department for each update to make sure it doesn't decide to crash stop and or accelerated into traffic. Meanwhile, I'm not really aware of what benefits you're getting from those updates.

Because there are lots of things the Tesla does that nothing else does in the same way, or the overall package of other vehicles (price, features, functionality, intangibles, whatever) doesn't match for that particular buyer.

I'm constantly amazed that otherwise intelligent people latch on to a single "factual" reason that proves they must be correct about a matter of opinion, particularly when their experience set is often objectively less relevant. To wit: presumably the parent has owned numerous other cars in addition to the Teslas.

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