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Seattle police faked radio chatter about Proud Boys during 2020 protests

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The words "ruse" and "improper" are both used often enough that I wonder how many "proper" ruses the SPD has perpetrated. And what makes them proper.

I really wish our government agencies would stop co-opting Alex Jones’s loony ideas…

The alleged plot to kidnap the MI governor appears to have been conceived by law enforcement, also.[1]

The Trump-Russia collusion dossier was also made up by political consultants[2], and then laundered, wittingly, by law enforcement.[3]

Seems like a negative trend.

[1] https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2021/1...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/us/politics/igor-danchenk...

[3] https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/judiciar...

> The alleged plot to kidnap the MI governor appears to have been conceived by law enforcement, also.[1]

The source you linked seems to not say anything about this.

At the least they should get felony charges and spend a week in jail like the undocumented tourists of the capital.

To clarify, most Capitol tourists are still in pre-trial detention and facing illegal punishments like being denied necessary medical care. The media doesn't like those people, so naturally they haven't been covering the human rights abuses at all, which is why you may not have heard about it.

However, you may be thinking of the people that participated in the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020 who did spend a week in jail before they were bailed out by aligned political parties and subsequently had their charges dropped by politically aligned DAs.

Have you demanded Capitol Police Lieutenant Michael Byrd be charged for killing an unarmed woman? Have you demanded equality for the tourists, because previously AOC joined the Sunrise Movement at Pelosi's office:

In a response to the protests, Pelosi said in a statement that she was "inspired by the energy and activism of the many young activists and advocates leading the way on the climate crisis."

"I have recommended to my House Democratic colleagues that we reinstate the select committee to address the climate crisis," she said in the statement. "We welcome the presence of these activists, and we strongly urge the Capitol Police to allow them to continue to organize and participate in our democracy."

The officers who participated described a group gathering by City Hall and moving around downtown. They delivered reports such as, “It looks like a few of them might be open carrying,” and: “Hearing from the Proud Boys group. … They may be looking for somewhere else for confrontation.”

In which the SPD becomes complicit in the climate of violence, and in the actual bloodsheed which inevitably followed.

What bloodshed?

> 2020’s racial justice protests [..] Proud Boys is a far-right group with a reputation for street violence and with several members — including one from South King County — who have been charged with terrorism for alleged actions related to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol in Washington, D.C. [..] protesters were starting to set up the zone that was later called the Capitol Hill Organized Protest, or CHOP. [..] Though some people in the zone may have brought guns regardless of the chatter [..] The murder of George Floyd had sparked more than a week of large-scale protests in Seattle, with the police barricading streets around the East Precinct and deploying tear gas. Later in June, two fatal shootings occurred in the CHOP zone.

Proud Boys are far-right and with a reputation for violence, while BLM/racial justice protesters are "fiery but mostly peaceful", untarred by all their casualties and damage. Like water off a duck's back.

That's your takeaway from an article exposing police for running a psyops attack on the public, covering it up, and then not being held accountable for it?

The US left sees far right groups as evil Nazis with only destructive motives, and far left groups as noble warriors for whom the ends of equality and social justice justify their means.

The US right sees far left groups as evil Stalinists with only destructive motives, and far right groups as noble warriors for whom the ends of security and defence of homeland justify their means.

It’s very rare that you see either of the following viewpoints

- both of them are made up of human detritus of the American system and hold back progress

- both of them are commendable groups made up of passionate people

Because one side wants a white ehtno-state, and hand waves over the genocide that always happens when they remove an ethnic minority population, and one side wants to stop getting shot by police. It’s not quite the same.

You took the most extreme position of the right and contrasted it with the tamest position of the left… did you mean it as a gotcha?

Let’s reverse it: “One side is made up of constitutional Patriots who dislike the scale of the federal government, the other side is made up of Marxists who hand wave away the inevitable famine and ruin that results from their ideology.”

I could accept a comparison between BLM and the Boogaloos because they are the least radical of their respective camps and have grievances with the police and state. But you’re comparing BLM with the pitiful number of self declared neo Nazis in the same way that the right tars BLM with the pitiful number of tankies who latch on to social justice in order to further their revolution.

I’m contrasting the two groups in the article.

You should familiarize yourself with the proud boys leadership. You don't know what you're talking about. Are you seriously arguing that Enrique Tarrio[0] wants a white ethnostate?

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrique_Tarrio

My understanding is Tarrio identified himself as white in most legal documents before joining the Proud Boys. I suspect he claims to be 'black' now because it gives that racist organization cover.

Did you see the photos of him in the Wikipedia article linked?

Regardless of his intent, I can't imagine him thinking he'd do well in a "white ethnostate."

Yes

> The US left sees far right groups as evil Nazis with only destructive motives

If you march around synagogues with torches chanting "the jews will not replace us" while giving the roman salute, there is no bellyaching when people associate you with nazis. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/08...

They are the extreme fringe. There is also an extreme fringe on the other side of the aisle that believes white people are demons created by Yakub, the USSR did nothing wrong and China is paradise.

If you’re allowed to coalesce the right into their extremists, the same should hold true for the left. At least in a society based on liberalism.

I’m of the belief that fewer black folks being shot by police is a noble cause, so I feel positive about BLM. I also feel positive about some of the constitutional and militia groups because IMO the scale and corruption of the US government ALSO requires attention.

I don’t like racial bigotry or communism so I will vehemently denounce such groups.

> There is also an extreme fringe on the other side of the aisle that believes white people are demons created by Yakub, the USSR did nothing wrong and China is paradise.

Where? I've seen the right wing extreme fringe existing in real life. Never seen what you just described. If it actually exists, it's hidden well enough to not bother me.

It's truly frightening how many people cannot see this. It feels like so many people have spent zero time around people of the opposite side of the political spectrum from their self.

Particularly, how can so many people criticize article after article and news story after news story for being inaccurate or misleading, then turn around and believe every word against they read for their party or against their opposing party?

I think it’s a prisoner’s dilemma:

- tolerate your own extremists, so your own moderates can win and crush the other side’s moderates and extremists

With the optimal payoff being

- band together with their moderates and crush both your and their extremists

The players are

- Moderate L: BLM, unions

- Extreme L: anarchists, communists, third worldists, Russian/Chinese intelligence

- Moderate R: anti government, pro constitution

- Extreme R: neo-fascists, white supremacists, Russian/Chinese intelligence

> The US left sees far right groups as evil Nazis with only destructive motives, and far left groups as noble warriors

No, it doesn't.

I mean, seriously on the far left, anarchists, IME, view the most dangerous groups as, starting at the worst:

1. Marxist-Leninists (aka MLs, as used by anarchists, the term tends to include any of the vanguardist descendants of Leninism) 2. Liberals 3. Fascists

(Occasionally #2 and #3 are flipped)

For MLs, using the above expansive terminology, it seems to be:

1. Anarchists, 2. Different vanguardist flavors than their own, 3. Liberals 4. Fascists (#3 and #4 are more likely to be equated than flipped.)

Leftist infighting is a legendary meme, that is true.

I’m more considering ‘the left’ as the bulk of the left: anything between neoliberal and social Democrat.

Similarly, when I say the right I mean anything between neoliberal and national conservative.

Though I’d consider national conservatives to be too right wing for my tastes (since I skew left) just as socdems are too left wing for conservative tastes.

> I’m more considering ‘the left’ as the bulk of the left: anything between neoliberal and social Democrat.

That's center-right (neoliberal) to center-left (social democrat), not the “bulk of the left”.

Neoliberal includes both Tony Blair on the left and Thatcher on the right. Trudeau sits between them in the (201X-202X) dead centre.

Tony Blair was more right economically than the old guard of labour (who I would consider squarely left wing) but it was balanced out by his social and welfare policies.

It’s just that pre WW1 the centre was to the right of now (classical liberalism) and post WW2 the centre was to the left of now (welfare statism). 200 years ago liberals were leftists and reactionaries were quite ordinary.

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