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Because the BBC is a propaganda organ for the UK.

Weird, because Al Jazeera phrased it identically.

Also a propaganda organ for the west?

It would be better to link to the report from Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/kazakh-president-... which contains this crucial information:

"The militants have not laid down their arms, they continue to commit crimes or are preparing for them. The fight against them must be pursued to the end. Whoever does not surrender will be destroyed," President Kassym-Jomart Tokayev said in a televised address.

"I have given the order to law enforcement agencies and the army to shoot to kill without warning."

"All we expect of them is to return to their flats, to be later arrested or starve to death in the cold. This seems fairly reasonable.."

This phrase is an excellent piece of straightforward propaganda. Completely made up, but also quite touching.

You just make things up as you go. What do you expect to happen to people who steal weapons from looted police stations and shoot at the army and state forces?

Do you really believe that Western states would deal with this in any other way? Do you remember what happened after 2005 London bombings? Do you remember how the police in Brussels dealt with Paris attackers? Do you think 6th of Jan 2021 would look different if the mob opened fire at the police?

Al Jazeera is an outlet for the Muslim world. Sometimes their interests lie with the west, sometimes not. In general they are anti-Russian though, as Russia has been fighting Islamic militants for years (often ones armed by the US and Islamic nations).

Just cause they are Muslim dosent make them Islamic militants. "For years" implies Chechen forces fighting for independence, which has nothing to do with the West or the US. Russia has crushed any autonomy from any minority, Muslim or otherwise. Dont frame it like the war on terror, that would be dishonest.

You don't remember the Moscow train bombing? Or Moscow theater hostage crisis? Or any of the other number of attacks carried out by self-professed Islamic militants from said regions?

It's funny how people don't remember any of the history of the eastern bloc that's literally happened within my own adult life, and I'm in my 30s...

Does this "fight for independence" thing really include blowing bombs in subway, taking children hostages, blowing up airplanes, etc etc etc? Or it only does if it involves Russia?

>Just cause they are Muslim dosent make them Islamic militants.

This is central Asia, islamic militants fighting for independence venn diagram is basically a circle. Kazakhstan is/wa remarkable for being an ostensibly "secular" state with variety of security arrangements to contain extremistism. But large groups in the country, from the disenfranchised to the elite have been looking towards Saudi wealth, Pakistani nukes, and Taliban victory in Afghanistan for another vision.

The Muslim world stretches from Africa, through the Baltic states, through the Middle east and into Asia. Most of them couldn't even read it easily. Al Jazeera belongs only to Qatar, it's not an outlet for all Muslims who make up 25% of the world's population

Baltic states?

Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia?

Think they meant Balkan.

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