Scientists, Doctors: Spotify Needs Misinfo Policy Re: Claims on Joe Rogan Show
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At the end of the day Rogan's power has pissed a lot of people off, and they are desperate to find something, anything, that sticks to him. But it's so blatantly obvious that the end result is nothing but further loss of media credibility.
Tbh the data they talked about sounded solid, they were clearly talking about real papers and data, and Malone didn’t seem like he was BSing (although I think “mass formation psychosis” is insane and neither Malone nor Rogan should be talking about stupid shit like that).
But on the vaccine, was there a lot of bad data there? If there was, where’s the takedown?
Pardon me if I detect a mass psychosis for an illness that almost assuredly will be troublesome, but overall less of a discomfort than draconian lockdown and so forth. And overall will (statistically) kill almost no one who contracts it.
Yes, cue the “but 900,000 people”, and I’ll cue the litany of unforeseen consequences that will reduce life expectancy even further.
But I’m pretty sure there is some mass psychology applied to our response to covid, and it’s generally overblown when we involve mass psychology. Just ask Charles Mackay.
Under this logic you could accuse anyone of a disparate political view (ie anarchism) of mass psychosis
Why single out Rogan? MSNBC, CNN, Fox News and so many other media outlets have tons of talk/entertainment shows that misinform the public on so many matters, but no muzzle or warning of misinformation is being labelled on them.
"Misinformation" seems to be the new "Red Scare" of our day. Instead of people actually wanting to argue and debate the points of an individual with a platform, they rather just say that's misinformation to try and shut them down.
I understand people are exacerbated in discussing certain points over and over again, but you sort of have to and it's the responsibility of these scientists to go on those shows to argue and discredit this so called "misinformation" with a coherent argument and point.
Have people lost their marbles entirely, ivermectin is under active study and Kory afaik has used it, in his opinion and experience, successfully. Now talking about that is a thought crime?
So anything BELOW the standard of a double blind large scale trials is a “lie” not worth spreading, even though we now have as it was explained on another Rogan episode (by someone who appeared very centrist and even handed) that placing this sort of demands on a developing issue might block innovation since large scale double blind trials are incredibly expensive, generally financed by Big Pharma for their own medicine.
As near as I can tell there's a lot of common human medicines also used on animals and available at veterinary supply stores. Unfortunately in ivermectin's case this is being used in a propaganda campaign.
Just to put things in perspective, the same people who helped launch the propaganda campaign against hydroxychloroquine also launched one against ACE Inhibitors[0], that's been since retracted, but still gets cited and used to make policy.
A later, actual, study without fabricated data indicated that this was not only untrue, but suggests that the first fraudulent study was actually harmful. [1].
(And just as an aside... that the guys behind surgisphere have done all this _without being investigated further_ is to me one of those Sherlock Holmesian dogs-that-didn't-bark moments in this whole crisis).
[0]: https://www.tctmd.com/news/retracted-over-fraud-concerns-sur...
Considering Omura recieved that award for research into infections caused by roundworm parasites, I don't know if that's strictly relevant in discussing it as a treatment for SARS-cov2.
"Ivermectin was later tested in humans with parasitic infections and effectively killed parasite larvae (microfilaria)"
https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-releas...
You seem woefully misinformed yourself if you think ivermectin is a vet Product. It’s human medicine, in use for decades.
The propaganda point is where you use the fact that it's used in horses to ignore that it's also prescribed to humans on a large scale.
You’re trying to induce guilt by association, as if anything or anyone who goes on Rogan must be automatically “something Rogan helped broadcast” and ipso facto must be false.
Instead we could take the position that Rogan has both smart people and dumb people on his show.
Listening to Pierre Kory is not some act of madness, considering he was also one of the early proponents of corticosteroids for treatment of COVID-19, for which he was proven right after the large double blind studies were conducted.
Also who the heck said anything about any vaccines? Not me.