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>"All information about you has become public, be afraid and expect the worst. This is for your past, present and future."

The message also reads "For Volyn, for OUN UPA, for Galicia, for Polesia, and for historical lands", but I guess Reuters can't be bothered with details.

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> For Volyn, for OUN UPA, for Galicia, for Polesia, and for historical lands

Which are sensitive subjects in Polish-Ukrainian relations. The message was published in Ukrainian, Russian and Polish, which according to several polish acquaintances of mine looks like something Google Translate would produce.

Make no mistake who the real offender is.

Such provocations are standard modus operandi of Russians since at least 80's. They use sensitive subjects to sour relations between allies (divide and conquer).

Lets not forget that it's standard modus operandi of every agency who do offensive "security", not just Russians.

The pig head for mocking betrays Russian origin of this attack however, poor footers just can't help themselves.

No doubt every agency knows this and can do it too if they want to, which makes it a completely worthless marker.

Would an agency trying to frame Russians just do that, rather than frame-Russians-who-pretend-they-are-Poles thing? Just a thought.

>Make no mistake who the real offender is.

I don't have any illusions about the cyberattack, my (mild) issue is specifically with Reuters reporting, or their upstream source. Who selectively filtered out the bit they deemed unimportant or harmful or whatever there was on their mind. Reuters' release will be reposted by virtually every English-speaking media unchanged, and they will have no way, time, or desire to verify it, neither will their readers.

Makes me wonder what else they are omitting for my convenience in unrelated topics I don't happen to know anything about.

It’s not just google translate, it’s specifically a mistranslation from Russian, which doesn’t have vocative case.

There is a reason for this. The long-term strategy of Putin is to make his opponents weak by increasing internal tensions. These include weakening the European Union by forcing Lukashenka to deliver immigrants to EU borders and manipulating gas delivery, increasing racial tensions in the USA (in both camps), and in general increasing any kind of social conflict in countries Putin perceives as an enemy. In the case of Poland and Ukraine, Kremlin trolls concentrate a lot on the Volyn massacres, doing everything they can to rekindle enmity.

Romanian here and not Polish, but Ukraine does hold (former Romanian) territory that it was handed to it by the Soviets, and some part of it by Stalin himself, Ukraine seems to have no qualms about that part of Russian rule.

A conversation can be had about Northern Bukovina, as the Habsburgs had stolen it first (in the 1770s) before it temporarily came back under Romanian rule in 1918, but the county of Herța[2] had been under Romanian rule ever since the first Romanian principalities were formed (in the late 1300s in the case of the Principality of Moldova). This latter piece of land was given directly to Ukraine by Stalin.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukovina#Division_of_Bukovina

[2] https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Her%C8%9Ba

The convention post WW2 was that the borders in Europe stay where they are, otherwise there is no end unfurling that. AFAIK Romanian-Ukrainian border is not contested.

Well, de facto that convention wasn't respected, see Yugoslavia. Also, Ukraine did get something from us even after WW2 [1]

I agree about the unfurling part, I was just trying to point out that the Ukrainian state crying about "the big bad Russian wolf" when that bad wolf is a major reason behind their actual foundation as a State is a bit hypocritical. Even more so when the Ukrainian state expects us, their neighbours, to join in in their battles against the Russians.

[1] https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insula_%C8%98erpilor

If you agree about the unfurling, what you do want them to do?

Resolve their conflicts locally, don’t drag me into a war for your cause.

I had a teacher who used to expel both bully and their victim out of classroom to keep it orderly.

I don't think any neighbouring state has annexed anything of Yugoslavia.

> Even more so when the Ukrainian state expects us, their neighbours, to join in in their battles against the Russians.

Got in to NATO, raise up the ladder!

So what is your conclusion on that: should the border be contested? If so, this would lead to a war. Would the citizen of both countries be happy about it? Or do they prefer to live in peace?

The only people interested in rekindling these kind of conflicts are the ones from Kremlin (note: not Russians, because Russians just like any other normal people don't want any war). For everyone else this would just lead to endless suffering.

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