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Sony is older than Apple and was one of Steve Jobs' main inspirations. He even wanted to make everyone wear uniforms (which Sony and Nintendo still did then) - that's where his same outfit every day habit came from.

They weren't focused back then, but neither was Apple.

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Sony is older than Apple...

Unrelated to your point, but Nintendo is older than Sony and Apple combined.

  Apple 45 years
  Sony 75 years
  Nintendo 132 years

Yea it's crazy. My dad has a classic Gameboy that his great grandfather purchased during the first world war. That Gameboy saw a couple more wars after that too, including 5 years up my grandads ass in a POW camp, and 2 more inside another soldier who brought it back for us.

Can confirm it tastes bad.

I know you're trying to make the point that Nintendo revolutionized itself and is a foundationally different company than it was in the 1910's, but not really.

Trading cards (cutting edge color printing) -> Mechanical toys (cutting edge machining) -> Basic games like Game and Watch -> Video Games.

Nintendo just makes complex toys using cutting edge tech and always has.

Didn't Jobs also offer Sony to make laptops that ran OS X?

Also, random thing, but both Orbis (Playstation operating system) and OS X are based on FreeBSD.

Apparently they even made an official Sony VAIO Hackintosh.

https://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5380832/sony-vaio-apple-os...

Pretty sure OS X is based on the Mach/XNU kernel and Darwin, not FreeBSD.

I thought there was _some_ influence on the kernel from FreeBSD, even if not that much. I am aware the kernel is not the FreeBSD one, though.

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/Da... seems to have information on this.

The kernel shares some pieces with FreeBSD/NetBSD, but they're mostly very old and have developed separately since then.

The userland and libc are actually a lot more similar and some pieces are even up to date with them.

It's a bit of an amalgam, and it honestly depends on which version of OSX you're talking about. Mach itself was designed as an improvement over BSD, and it was more or less a microkernel developed around BSD concepts with binary compatibility. My understanding is that as time went on, performance issues and security concerns forced Apple to poach more and more BSD code onto Mach, which leaves us with the pretty messy codebase they use today. Supposedly (?) a lot of the zombie code is being cleaned up internally, but it's been an ongoing, multi-year process for Apple, probably made even more difficult with their bonafide UNIX certification.

Thank you for the clear and concise explanation (: It was very informative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook_100 but System7

> make everyone wear uniforms (which Sony and Nintendo still did then)

Nintendo still requires uniforms. They're pretty casual about it and you can just throw the factory-style short sleeve shirt or the jacket over whatever you're wearing, but everyone except the suits does wear it.

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