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I read the article twice: what are the quieter corners the headline promises? Almost all the examples were still pooling money to buy a thing, with two of those things being a single piece of real estate. And Friends with Benefits seems like a nice social group. Both great for those involved, but hardly a revolution

I am very interested in alternative coordination mechanisms, so I was really looking forward to the practical applications of the DAO mechanism outside of crypto-for-crypto, but still am not really seeing it. What am I missing?

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haha now that you pointed it out, "quiet corners" are in the sub-headline and opening but...not the article itself. Most of the examples are loud -- like SPICE and Constitution.

I too am interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I recommend hopping on the discord channels for these different projects and seeing what you can find. I've personally looked at Constitution, SPICE, and ENS. I would recommend diving into ENS, it's credible and they're working to manage development and budget. Journalists simply don't have the tools or support to dig into the level of detail that you probably want.

There's also some group in Colorado I forget the name of, they weren't in the article though. They bought up an acre of land and are trying to manage it as a group?

Let me know what you find!

>I recommend hopping on the discord channels for these different projects

Yup. "Just do your reasearch". "Just hop onto the literally thousands of Discord channels inundated by random talk and you will definitely see the light!"

You'd think that by this time there would be something coherent coming out of these Discords, but no.

> Let me know what you find!

You're the one suggesting to dive in and finding something. You've also said you've already dived in. Apparently, you've found nothing.

Wow who peed in your coffee?

The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more and how to approach it. This is how curiosity works. I'm not selling any "light". There's little glimmers spread across lots of projects, even the ones that completely fail or grapple with seemingly small issues.

ENS just turned the management of 300,000+ name service records over to a DAO. Now they are grappling with how to update registration prices when domains expire. They have a delegate and voting system for decision making. Registration on expiry prices for ENS itself is pretty boring so reading more about this is likely only interesting to someone curious about alternative coordination mechanisms.

> The parent said they were interested in alternative coordination mechanisms. I pointed them to where to find more

You pointed nowhere. You literally said, and I quote: "I recommend hopping on the discord channels for these different projects and seeing what you can find."

That is literally "hop onto the literally thousands of Discord channels inundated by random talk".

> This is how curiosity works.

Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'"

Had there been anything interesting or valuable in these "lots of projects", we'd have seen something coherent describing it.

> ENS just

> grappling with how to update registration prices

> have a delegate and voting system for decision making

And That is surely described in their docs in a coherent manner, or you have to join their Discord?

So I went ahead and did that.

#ens-faqs does not contain FAQs. It has a link to #server-faqs and "please don't fall for scams" pleas

#server-faqs has nothing on that. There are question about airdrops though, whatever that is

Maybe #dao-info contains that info? No

At this point I quit their Discord. Life is finite. Bullshit is infinite

> Registration on expiry prices for ENS itself is pretty boring so reading more about this is likely only interesting to someone curious about alternative coordination mechanisms.

It might be interesting to many people, if, you know, there was actual info on any of this.

Here's the discussion thread about registration to expiry prices: https://discuss.ens.domains/t/ep5-executable-set-the-tempora...

> Curiosity !== "you need to sift through mounds of shit in the hopes to find 'little glimmers spread across lots of projects'"

To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity! Reminds me of hacking with Arduino or something too. I have fun with it, anyway.

"Join the Discords and sift through the to find the little glimmers!" ... "Here's a link to ... a Discourse instance".

So which is it? Join Discords? Or forums? Or?...

> To me this sounds like a fair description of curiosity!

It isn't. Bullshit is finite. Life is finite. There are so many things to satisfy one's curiosity that don't involve digging through bullshit.

The main reason you have to "just google it" to find any coherent info on crypto projects is that when you boil everything down to a single-page coherent description of what it is they are trying to do, it turns out it's just bullshit. That's why all these projects, consciously or not, never produce anything that someone can point to and say: go, read this. Almost invariably it's "just find it on Discord".

A great example is in a sibling discussion mentioning Orange DAO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30133241

Even your example literally has nothing of value in that discussion. Original problem statement: "Now they are grappling with how to update registration prices when domains expire". There's literally no grappling in there. A regular community discussion with a voting mechanism that is happening hundreds of thousands of times a day all around the world. This is interesting? How?!

Re: grappling with how to update registration prices after an ENS domain expires --

Different stakeholders want the expiration auctions to work differently. For starters, there are the Devs, ENS owners, ENS users, domain speculators, token speculators, ENS newbies, and more.

Normally this would just be "devs and community", i.e. "we listened to the community and took suggestions". But with ENS anyone can own tokens and vote on what actually happens to the protocol.

There's discussions happening on Discord, in the forum, and twitter to figure out what to do. Then there's another layer where token owners choose delegates and those delegates vote.

It's exciting to see this kind of structure come together, where the friction is, and what ultimately gets built. It's unlikely this specific DAO will succeed, but part of it will work and the model will improve. Imagine a world where this works and all stakeholders play a role in how Twitter, Spotify, or even HackerNews change. Super interesting to me. Understand that the docs and UI for all of this needs a lot of work so that others can join in.

I’m interested in launching a DAO to create B2B SaaS products. If you are interested in the same, let’s chat!

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