Yup. "Just join the thousands of Discord channels".
How about: these scams and borderline scams actually produce some coherent information and put it up on their sites, and not expect every person to seek out their Discord channels and ask them questions?
> But there seems to be a big push to paint them as complete idiots. Not sure why though.
Because of what they actually do and say outside the Discords. If they weren't idiots, they would actually have a proper explanation of what it is they are trying to do, and actual roadmap on how to get there, and why they needed to blow 3 million dollars on a book if they want to "produce an original series".
> oh check out Orange DAO, mentioned elsewhere in this thread
And how exactly do you propose we check it out? You mean "Orange Protocol" which is a centralised aggregation service that pinky swears it will run a DAO at some unspecified point in the future?