Vitalik Buterin on shape rotators vs. wordcels
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Way smarter than me without a doubt though. But now he needs a tweet thread to say his vision on a 4chan started word? Tf
No one cares, i would hope
I say have a sense of humor and study the dog pill theory and you will never go on a walk and see somebody walking a dog and see it the same way you did before ever again.
In normal situations they would reference someone like Vitalik.
I'm not sure where the humor should be applied to this "shit show". I've seen to many people lose a lot of money that were unable to listen to a reasonable counter argument.
To a point that i couldn't convince someone that" One coin" was a scam, because it's a family friend that convinced them.
If the culture can confront the challenge of the incel it will develop the tools that can really face problems like systemic racism, women getting paid less in the workplace where it is easy to say people have "rights" but it is another thing to mobilize resources to realize them.
Barring that we will spend the next 30 years going in circles, George Floyd will be forgotten just like people forgot Rodney King, the Watts Riots, how prominent black men such as Booker T. Washington felt mistreated by the cops, etc. A new generation will come across the same problems, look at it ahistorically, and despair about the possibility for change.
We could teach incels not to rape. That would be a start. Then they might start to relate better to women, stop hating them so much and after a while they wouldn't have to be "incels" anymore.
You can propagandize them that rape is wrong, most of them believe that anyway. It's not going to make any difference in how they relate to women, hate them or not.
Many young men are growing up completely alienated. It starts out with broken homes and absent fathers and then the exclusion of men from early childhood education, which teaches young boys that education is a girl thing. Even if a boy gets good role models most of them believe social change is happening so rapidly that they've got nothing to learn from those role models.
This lady talks about how bad online dating is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqldQzGV-lY
100% of guys who are doing online dating are interested in meeting either for a hookup or a relationship. A large fraction of women know they can get hundreds of matches with little effort and feel so much validation from that they ghost them all. 20% of the guys get 80% of the matches, many guys get absolutely nothing.
Many people seem to think that men are invulnerable and only women get hurt by these negative social trends, but when "pornography hurts women" it's because a man was watching pornography, was hurt by pornography and passed on the damage. My son lost his best friend, Scientology disconnection style, because his friend fell under the spell of this loser
https://www.youtube.com/c/WheatWaffles
and his friend doesn't want to be "mogged" because my son is taller than him.
You could call that a "bad social trend", but it's also a symptom of how clueless and self-entitled many males are. The fact that this might be due to a lack of good role models doesn't dispense with the need to address this issue. Doing so will hopefully let these folks integrate the understanding that "of course rape is wrong" within their worldview without suffering from cognitive dissonance, or thinking that it's plainly impossible to successfully relate to women unless you happen to meet some unreal "Chad" stereotype.
Getting through the "clueless" problem seems nearly intractable. If you could tell people "make this small change and it will make a small improvement in your situation" there would be a clear answer, but you can't.
There's a persistent myth of "male privilege" that applies to the top 1% percent of men but not the majority of men. That's a major theoretical error that's obvious in 1st wave feminist books such as The Second Sex, The Feminine Mystique and it goes uncorrected to this day.
For someone who was bullied in elementary school, sexual invisibility in high school and college was a retraumatization that still affects me more than 30 years later. Back then I felt completely isolated, it wasn't a pain that others my age would admit to, and adults had bad advice like "be yourself" or "it will get better in the sweet by-and-by." Today young men are finding solidarity in dangerous social movements and various forms of "men are beasts" will just isolate them further.
It's a valid description of an attitude which is often quite overtly held, and is ultimately a lot more damaging to the "incel" themself than anyone they might want to interact with. Using a term as strong as "hateful" in this context seems like a thought-terminating-cliche which does little to address the problem.
> If you could tell people "make this small change and it will make a small improvement in your situation" there would be a clear answer, but you can't.
Why not? There are plenty of feasible approaches; the main problem is that there's no structured, widely-supported effort to collectively raise awareness about their potential benefits. The education system has a valid role to play here.
These kind of ignorants comments add nothing to the discussion, it should be clear that the person you replied to is talking about what the original meaning of the word is and not what you are painting it to be.
A lot has happened in recent years. The US had it's first black president and almost a female ( i wish there was a better candidate).
For other countries, even UAE seems to be slowly changing concerning women rights ( very very slowly)
Europe is further in that regard though.
Substantive conversation, or dialogue seems to be harder to come by as time goes on.