Hacker News Reader

Comment by weeblewobble | Hacker News Reader

“If you’re, like, 21 years old, and you say to me, ‘Should I get vaccinated?’ I’ll go ‘No,’” - Joe Rogan, 4/23/21

That is damning evidence if we assume people can't change, but also depends on the context around it.

For example I can say right now if you are under 30 and your only option is to get Moderna don't take it. Wait until you can get something else. Risks/reward doesn't make sense, but as a result you should keep isolating until you have your double shot.

No idea what you're talking about, not interested in debating efficacy of vaccines on here, just pushing back on the idea that calling Joe Rogan anti-vaxx is an "outright lie"

As I've said multiple times I've only listened to the two new controvertial "antivax" episodes since he moved to Spotify. Maybe Rogan is antivax, but I did not get that from those two episodes.

And if you are curious you can search for Moderna in under 30 year old men.

Hmm... I got Moderna shots. Am I gonna melt into a puddle..? Real talk though, what's wrong with Moderna?

It increases chances of inflamation of heart muscle in young men. If you've had it already then you are fine, but Moderna is not adviced for men under 30.

Thanks for the info anyways :)

1/8th the chance of Covid of giving you mild myocarditis. Unlike with Covid, it tends to resolve within a couple months.

Far less than 12.5% of the general population gets Covid symptoms at all, though.

They're not saying 1 out of 8 vaccinations gives symptoms, but that covid is 8 times likelier than the vaccine to cause those symptoms.

From [0]:

> They found that, during the first 12 months of the pandemic, males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

> This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection.

That's about ~7 times likelier from covid than vaccines. No data specifically on omicron (yet) though.

[0] https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25133462-800-myocardi...

There was never any valid reason for healthy people under 30 to be isolating.

This was almost a year ago when vaccines were still new and the death/hospitalization rates of healthy 21 years olds from COVID is basically zero.

I’m 27 and have my jabs, and suggest others get theirs too, but I totally understand this perspective. In fact you couldn’t even get your vaccines in the UK last April at 21.

This is a bit of kitchen sink argument-- it was a long time ago! young people actually don't need the vaccine! he's just sharing his perspective! British people couldn't get vaccinated in April!

None of which addresses the claim in OP that people calling Joe Rogan "anti-vaxx" are "outright lying".

It is anti-vaccine to encourage young people not to get vaccinated. Simple as that.

> young people actually don't need the vaccine!

SARS-CoV-2 causes much higher rates of myocarditis in kids than the vaccines do:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

Kids should still get vaccinated. They are at low risk from SARS-CoV-2, but risk of the vaccines are still even lower.

You left out the critical qualifier: "During March 2020–January 2021, ..."

But the 18-20+ group are still nodes in a complex system that includes others who aren’t so healthy. Our friend teaches an intro to sociology course at university. She also has a child with a chronic disease and an elderly parent whom she cares for. Walking into a lecture hall packed with unvaccinated 18+ students is unnerving, not because of their risk which is negligible but because of the downstream risks that they impose on the system. It’s not unreasonable to consider the risk of others with whom one interacts in reasoning through the decision to get vaccinated or not. Now I have no idea what exactly Rogan said but a categorical “No” is not the response I’d expect from someone who has really thought about the issues. But then again the blurring lines between entertainment and information has its risks.

This is irrational. I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, but vaccinated people also spread the virus.

https://www.businessinsider.com/delta-variant-made-herd-immu...

Reply on news.ycombinator.com