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> No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace

I'm so looking forward to that.

What is the alternative? We are going to go back to 2005 where we send docs over email? Files end up being too large, nobody knows what the latest copy is, etc.

You can host this on-site :)

No need to go cloud everything. I think you can even buy the whole azure pack to run on-site.

The EU is big enough that companies like Microsoft will find a way to offer their services legally, and if they wouldn't, it would be a huge opportunity to EU based competitors. It's not like we don't have any software companies in the EU.

Also, there's no reason that collaboration tools must be hosted on a US cloud. Especially Microsoft traditionally provided tools for their customers to host their own infrastructure -- it's only a recent phenomenon that everything is hosted by the vendor themselves.

I think you’re right. Microsoft is perfectly able to split its operations. They’re doing it now in China in a much more drastic fashion, and they seem to have been preparing to do it in Europe for a few years now.

The fact that US companies may need to treat Europe like China speaks volumes about the road the EU is headed on.

Just that two ships are departing from a location does not mean they heading in the same direction.

It is true that both the EU and China are swiftly heading away from this unprecedented era of technology companies being able to act as they please abroad without impunity. It is an era that the US, which benefits from this arrangement greatly, understandably does not want to leave.

But what matters is why they are doing this, not that they are doing it. And in that regard it is much harder to find similarities.

It says quite a lot about American imperialism, actually. These developments were basically guaranteed the moment the CLOUD act passed, and after the adventures Microsoft had with the DoE.

Do you genuinely think they're the only office products providers in the world?

No, do you think they were going to list every single office product? They said "Cloud services" which encompasses more than just those two.

Or people get fed up with cloud companies like Google (already happening) and people realize self hosting is becoming more and more simple (also happening) to the point where anyone can do it. IPFS and other tooling could push a decent portion of users to this. We can already see some of that effect with things like mastadon.

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