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They expected to win quickly and easily - and are shocked it did not happened. Whether they pull the punches will be seen later. Historically, there was not much holding back punches between Russia and Ukraine. You may start reading about Holodomor, which is still debated whether it counts as genocide or not.

For that matter, historically, Russia holding punches was not exactly the thing. Not even toward Russians.

The original propaganda line was that Ukrainians are basically Russians being taken home now. That nonsense was shattered by now. The idea that this will stop punches now that they are refusing, purely because both are white, is something only Americans can think.

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War in Syria did not started by indiscriminate bombing of cities. It got there through series of escalations when rebels refused to give up.

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So many mis-statements of fact here.

> They expected to win quickly and easily - and are shocked it did not happened.

Very possible, but neither you nor me are in the position to know that.

> Holodomor, which is still debated whether it counts as genocide or not. For that matter, historically, Russia holding punches was not exactly the thing. Not even toward Russians.

The Holodomor was clearly a completely orthogonal issue to this as it wasn't a military conflict.

> Not even toward Russians.

What are you referencing in terms of conflict? Probably not chechens, because that would only go in favor of GPs point.

> War in Syria did not started by indiscriminate bombing of cities. It got there through series of escalations when rebels refused to give up.

Russia started intervening in 2015, 4 years into the civil war, and immediately began with indiscriminate bombardment of cities like Raqqa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_military_intervention_...)

> The idea that this will stop punches now that they are refusing, purely because both are white, is something only Americans can think.

The domestic opposition in Russia over killing far fewer people is already much larger than it was to the intervention over Syria which killed far more civilians early on.

It is not something "only Americans can think" that Russians care more about the lives of people of close ethnic relation to them as compared to Syrians.

Holodomor is relevant, ot orthogonal.

I meant purgers, internal thing toward Russians.

Oh, and yes, 2011 to 2015 is long time of escalations.

The question is whether they will pull punches when ennemy don't give up.

> Holodomor is relevant, ot orthogonal. > I meant purgers, internal thing toward Russians.

Neither of those were covered on the TV. They are also from over half a century ago.

> 2011 to 2015 is long time of escalations.

But 2014 to 2022 isn't?

The idea that Russians care equally about the lives of Syrians and the lives of ethnic Russians & Ukrainians is fantasy. It's obviously false, even if Russians killed Russians in purges 60 years ago.

Russian TV is not broadcasting Ukraine war. For that matter, western tvs are not broadcasting full brutality of wars either. It is all sanitized for viewers good feelings.

> 2014 to 2022

Sure, Ukraine actually got ready to defend. Russia actually got to the point of being ready to start war again.

But, actual full war started last week with hope of 96 hours till victory, installation of puppet goverment and weak divided west. They wanted them to be kind of like Belarus, useful for further own plans.

> The idea that Russians care equally about the lives of Syrians and the lives of ethnic Russians & Ukrainians is fantasy. It's obviously false, even if Russians killed Russians in purges 60 years ago.

They don't care about Ukrainians lives at all. If they keep not winning, they will move to deep active hate. Ukrainians are already nazi for them and that includes the Jewish president. And that sentiment is real inside Russians who do believe oficial version.

Purges were not 60 years ago. They were the thing Stalin shot himself into own leg right before WWII. But, fuckup at start is on brand here. Stalin has raising popularity as maligned father of Russia in Russia last 10-15 years.

> Historically, there was not much holding back punches between Russia and Ukraine. You may start reading about Holodomor, which is still debated whether it counts as genocide or not.

This is such a demagogy and a narrow-sighted view of history. It is always brought up only for the purpose of pouring more oil on the flames and turning up nationalistic tensions.

Holodomor has nothing to do with Ukrainians or Russians. It had happened all over the Soviet Union.

Much more Kazakhs had died relatively to their total population, and almost the same amount of Russians in an absolute value.

Hungers of 1930s were a global event, not something conjured by one particularly nasty Georgian.

Some proof would be nice.

Wikipedia mentions that it is contested if it is intentional or not.

Personaly for me, intentionality doesn't seem far fetched, given gulags, forced relocations to siberia without supplies and liberal presentation of history/facts (ussr guides said that kaliningrad is russian from olden times).

> Hungers of 1930s were a global event, not something conjured by one particularly nasty Georgian.

Aside from Ukraine and Kazakhstan (both under the control of "one particularly nasty Georgian") which other regions of the globe suffered from mass (1+ million) deaths caused by famine in the 1930s?

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