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> Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU

Why? Nuclear disaster is bad, but how would it ensure that a country can _never_ join NATO or the EU?

Ukraine already had the Chernobyl disaster on their soil, and I don't see that one as keeping them out of either organisation _forever_.

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>> Purposely causing nuclear disasters is one way to ensure a country can never join NATO or the EU

> Why? Nuclear disaster is bad, but how would it ensure that a country can _never_ join NATO or the EU?

> Ukraine already had the Chernobyl disaster on their soil, and I don't see that one as keeping them out of either organisation _forever_.

And didn't the EU pay a lot of money to help them build a new containment building for it?

It's a bizarre leap to say a nuclear disaster would disqualify a country from joining NATO or the EU.

Even though it was on Ukrainian soil, still: USSR had Chernobyl disaster, not Ukraine. It’s one of the reasons Ukraine separated from USSR.

So, USA used nukes 2 times, while USSR blow up 1 nuclear reactor.

2:1

If you want to count it like that:

Both USA and USSR nuked themselves a whole lot more when testing nuclear weapons. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests

I suspect that legally speaking Ukraine is one of the successor states of the USSR?

Doesn't matter too much for the point I made in any case:

If a nuclear disaster were to happen in Ukraine now, NATO and EU would also not blame it on Ukraine.

gp was saying that if you blow up the country enough, there's no country left to join NATO.

If they ride up to aspirant stairs with the EU, soon there would be a country again rising of the ashes.

EU is no elixir, though.

That's a fair point in general. Exploding all nuclear reactors in Ukraine isn't going to do that though.

And, of course, Russia could do much blowing up with conventional weapons, too.

Just one nuclear reactor can be used to create continent wide Red forest. Chornobyl disaster was just an incident without evil intent. Small fraction of nuclear fuel was released into atmosphere. With evil intent, much larger percent of nuclear fuel can be turned into thin dust and released into atmosphere. Larger reactors contain much more nuclear fuel. With evil intent, much more radioactive elements, such as radioactive iodine or radioactive noble gases, can be breed in reactor before blow up. With evil intent, safety systems can be disabled to produce maximal amount of dangerous elements. Depending on time given for preparation and technique used, it can be from 1 Fukushima to 10k Chornobyls. If NATO will give initiative to Russians, they can blow up reactor in good weather, so RF will not be affected, but EU will gone.

Maybe. I am sure you can do more damage, if you optimize for that, than an accident would do.

However: for a nuclear power like Russia, blowing up nuclear reactors only makes sense if they can make it look like an accident.

Otherwise: just use your nukes.

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