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Not GP, but Hilary Clinton 2016 [1]:

> “There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover,” the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential nominee continued. “But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here.’ That was a deep sense of unease.”

[1]: https://news.yahoo.com/hillary-clinton-maintains-2016-electi...

Hilary Clinton again in 2020 (which is the same election that Trump complains about, by the way) [2]:

> The 2016 Democratic presidential nominee predicted that among several scenarios, Republicans are going to try to “mess up absentee balloting” so that they could get a potentially narrow advantage in the Electoral College.

> “We've got to have a massive legal operation, I know the Biden campaign is working on that,” she said. “We have to have poll workers, and I urge people, who are able, to be a poll worker. We have to have our own teams of people to counter the force of intimidation that the Republicans and Trump are going to put outside polling places. This is a big organizational challenge, but at least we know more about what they're going to do.”

[2]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clint...

I also remember well the "Selected not elected" days after Bush v. Gore. That went on the entire time that Bush was president and went to sleep for a couple of terms when Obama won.

Just to be clear, I'm not making a judgement on who is right here. I think the truth is a lot more nuanced than "right or wrong." I;m just pointing out that we have a long history of politicians/parties questioning election results, but until now we've never had widespread attempts to silence it.

The difference is that with Bush you have hanging chads and a court decision that after the votes were counted would have probably come out differently, and a concerted political effort to turn that to their advantage.

The republican party just literally spent months on questioning the election in places like Arizona with no evidence of any fraud, and there's plenty of documentation on how (almost always republican) politicians use lies to get people to not vote: https://lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Dece...

Basically, if you want to argue that its a "he said, she said" thing, you're going to need to come to the table with receipts about it, and trump is just completely full of shit on a level that's untenable and weirdly turned into this January thing where we almost had lawmakers killed.

Nope. They finished the recounts. Three times. None of them came out in Gore's favor.

The state in which they recounted was the state where his brother was the governor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_United_States_presidentia... Here ya go - seems like that's incorrect.

Wikipedia articles about partisan US politics are often incorrect.

I'm going to go ahead and say that 22 years later we've probably seen the edit wars die down.

Actually, it shows I'm correct, at least for the court decision. In all of the counts requested by the Gore team (those effected by the Supreme Court decision), all of them came out in favor of Bush.

Had there been statewide recounts, according to that page, things may have been different.

I'm not trying to argue that it's a "he said, she said" thing, and as a matter of degrees, Trump is way worse. My main argument though is that humans (no matter which "side") are terrible at holding themselves to the same standard as they do other people, especially their opponents. For that reason I expect the rules to soften the next time the pendulum swings to the right.

That's very fair, and I am just noting that people like to "both sides" problems when as far as I can tell the democrats are fucked up and the republicans are actively acting as traitors to the nation.

I am not happy with either, but I don't really compare them in the same sentence.

> Hilary Clinton 2016

... actually conceded the night of the election. Bitched about it later, for sure. But conceded the election immediately. Something that hasn't happened yet for Mr. Trump.

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