What are some examples of "propaganda" that proved to be false a day later?
I'm not complaining - these things have a tangible effect on morale. But it is propaganda.
I wanted to understand the situation and searched "Ukrainian troop locations" in google, bing, DDG, and Yahoo.
One of the first times I have received no results in google. Absolutely blatant censorship.
Ostensibly, google doesn't want to provide intel to Russia, who has ample satellites and combat reports.
It seems a little too convenient that the major consequence is that Americans cant get any information that doesn't support the public narrative.
no "Ukrainian troop locations"... are well positioned, spread out, in the east, overwhelmed, shouldn't be disclosed, ect
0 hits containing the string.
Ukraine - being the underdog and the invaded country - has every incentive to publish every single tank they destroy. It isn't surprising, really.
There has been coverage on the South, where Russia has had more successes.
The outrage was that it was close enough.
Who - UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace makes a claim
What - Russian forces have prepared a mobile crematorium for use in any future conflict with Ukraine
Where - Ukraine
Why - to avoid the problems with bringing bodies back
When - Now
There's no claim beyond that, however they do also highlight protests from Russia about missing and dead soldiers
I haven't seen anything debunking such a claim, although I haven't seen anything backing it up either. It's a fact that Wallace made that claim, and the company involved refused to respond.
The Snake Island incident is perhaps a better example.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60522454
Which reports that
Who - Ukraine officials say
What - Russia killed their soldiers
Where - Snake Island
Why - to occupy the island
When - Recently
And they also say
Who - Russian officials say
Why - Soldiers surrendered it to them voluntarily
Where - Snake Island
Why - to occupy the island
When - recently
The BBC says the reported audio is unverified
Later events showed that at least some of the soldiers were not killed.
Snake Island Soldiers Dying Heroically
Nuclear Reactor Shelled, Radiation Rising
Doubt it had anything to do with radiation though.
Regardless of that it is incredibly stupid to do any kind of fighting around a nuclear plant.
That goes both ways.
I saw the video from the start of the fighting and that was UA forces who started to fire upon oncoming forces from the building to the right on the video.
If you mount defenses for something vital for the civilians of your country you should always question how exactly to do that to minimize the damage from the fighting.
Given they took positions in the building, started the fight first, had a prerecorded video for Twitter of how they are under attack[0]...
Sure, I'm just an arm-chair general, but for me it looks what the Ukrainian force decided to fight on the NPP territory and buildings.
[0] go find it you if you didn't saw it. I doubt the first thing what would come to my mind as an operator of a NPP is to fire up a video for a social network.
In other words, never protect critical civilian infrastructure?
Is that the defense playbook you'd propose?
Like in your playbook there were absolutely no other options there.
[0] https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5026803,34.5967556,6233m/dat...
You did not “see the reactor get shelled live.”
Those gigantic streaks in the lower right are shells from tanks. They certainly aren’t tracers from rifles.
You’re right to press me for details on the “tank” part. I don’t know if the shots are from tanks. But they’re so large that it rules out foot soldiers, so it’s some kind of vehicle-mounted gun.
It’s definitely not the kind of thing you want hitting a nuclear reactor.
They're typically equipped with heavy weapons that are smaller or less powerful than tank main guns but larger than something that could readily be carried by a soldier or two.
Tank misidentification satirized here: https://twitter.com/pascalheyman/status/1088555831187128321
I only saw them on social media.
But I did see a source that radiation did rise around Chernobyl, probably due to dust getting kicked up by vehicles and foot traffic.
I saw some memes about the Snake Island Soldiers but never heard serious reporting on their deaths - I only ever heard the location had been compromised. Maybe the issue isn't so much a propaganda mill forcing false facts but the news sources you're choosing to consume. Unless you have family/loved ones in Ukraine there is no reason to try and follow up-to-the minute news - watch the daily shows, read a newspaper or just be a bit more skeptical about what you're ingesting.
Moreover, the radiation in Chernobil did rise (measurably, but trivially). That has nothing to do with the active nuclear plant where actual fights happened.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/25/ukraine-soldie...
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-snake-island-soldiers-russi...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-sold...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/02/24/russia-ukrai...
I could go on, but you get the point. These were definitely fake stories propagated by the western media as part of their propaganda campaign against Russia. Even if these outlets didn't know they were fake, they also didn't bother to check.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukraine-island...
Retractions always - ALWAYS - get less attention than the initial story.
They aren't in the business of spreading truth, they are a business with incentives to gain people's attention.
For all the mentioned stories it is clear that these weren't drafted up in a backoffice (such as Putin's propaganda about the genocide in eastern Ukraine).
Donbass is being shelled for 8 years. UN recognizes more than 10,000 deaths in the conflict there. The few journalists that interviewed people there got some interviews that really describes war crimes (watched recently an italian documentary that collected testimonialsthere). Which is not surprising, since neonazi groups were integrated to Ukranian army. You may dispute that this should be classified as genocide, but there are human rights violations happening there and this is not just Russia propaganda.
Nowhere in these stories do the news outlets claim that the Ukranian reports were independently verified.
So I'm not sure what you're complaining about. These news outlets are reporting what Ukranian sources say, just as they report what Russian sources say.
I read some Reddit and even there they mentioned eg. The ghost of Kiev is probably fake.
Your other points are also ridiculous. No radiation was rising and there was huge protest against Russians to take the facility. There were definitely fires nearby.
Reports of the nuclear facility ( video + sound) are pretty clear about what happened.
They did mention it is very dangerous to attack a nuclear facility.
I think that's pretty logical....
Chernobyl there were rumors about a nuclear waste depot being blown up and subsequent increase in radiation. However, it was always mentioned that this could be due to troop movement over contaminated soil and there were never worrying radiation numbers.
Edit: I previously said the control room was on fire but can’t find a source anymore.
I never heard that the control room was on fire, only that Chechens attached explosives to the reactors.
The shelling was at the training reactor building, and the administrative building was shot at and set on fire.
https://twitter.com/gbrumfiel/status/1499799810609668106
The focus of the fighting was elsewhere but some projectiles made it very close to the reactor buildings.
Based on comparing the shot out the window with a look on Google Maps this is between units 2 and 3 of the 6 at the plant