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In all honesty, we don't know anything about anything. Did the jamming really happen, did Russia do it, etc?

There are in fact reasons why anti-Russian countries would undertake this themselves, or even just make up the story. The reasons being that it drums up support for their cause, draws lines that people have to be on one side or another, etc.

Ultimately, this is an epistemological question - what do we know? And the only things one can say one knows, is stuff you have personally verified. After that, you are believing and trusting - the news, the footage, your governments, etc.

Is trusting those sources really an acceptable basis for any autonomous individual to proceed?

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> Is trusting those sources really an acceptable basis for any autonomous individual to proceed?

You yourself are awefully fond of basing elaborate narratives on dubious sources, which is fine, but why then stoop to high-school debate club level gaslighting like "Ultimately, this is an epistemological question - what do we know? And the only things one can say one knows, is stuff you have personally verified.", unless this is satire?

I'm sorry? What elaborate narrative am I based on? What dubious sources?

If you think my point about how you know something is satire, you are mistaken - I am serious.

The problem is that most people are unable to discern what they know from what think they know (aka belief). Because they saw it on a screen or other people say so this. This is NOT knowing. Watching something on a screen only means that you know you saw something on a screen, not that what you saw was faithfully portrayed! You didn't believe Independence Day was real, but you do believe the news, etc is.

Knowing is not easy, but believing we know is.

Ham radio operators find RF sources for fun [0], so every time i hear something like this, I get skeptical when governments act as if they can't find out who did or atleast where from (is it coming from a drone in the air, from russia, or from a nearby parking lot [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter_hunting

[1] https://www.cnet.com/culture/truck-driver-has-gps-jammer-acc...

I am sorry but this is exactly the same argument that a lot of Russian population uses.

Yes, we may not know everything, but we are more informed than the Russian/Chinese population in general.

How? Why do you think so?

Because I regularly speak to my dad who loves Russian television.

PS: I now live in Britain.

Not sure if you're just being a contrarian or you actually don't know, but it's quite clear why.

Is Western media biased? For sure. Do Western journalists go to jail / get disappeared for writing things the government doesn't want them to write? No. (But I'm sure you'll find counter-examples as well if you look really hard for proof of what you want to believe)

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