This is why cryptos are here to stay. The underlying technology is valuable and the problems it may have today can be overcome.
This is why cryptos are here to stay. The underlying technology is valuable and the problems it may have today can be overcome.
Software isn't some magic that can wish away its shorcomings.
Also, do you think the next instagram that will most like support its own crypto will allow you to switch to a different crypto?
ETA: the transaction cost is based on the cryptocurrency, so if now the cost per transaction is 1 cent then in 10 years it might cost 10 dollars if the value of the coin goes up.
Also, who cares if there are several cryptocurrencies? If they have good properties (fundamentals) and people find them valuable, why not?
The fact that they are unable to ignore them and continue to spread the same debunked nonsense tells you that it is not going away and it is getting boring.
Just look at the first few sentences:
> a slow distributed, append only spreadsheet technology which is destroying the planet we live on.
So Solana, Stellar and Algorand are destroying the planet?
> Blockchain isn't new. It has been around for as long as the iPhone. Look how much the iPhone has changed the world. Blockchains one claim to fame in this period is the creation of $5.2B/year ransomware industry, societal damage in the form of gambling and the loss of irreplaceable photos.
The internet isn't new. Its 'killer app' (The world wide web) came decades afterwards and it took decades more for adoption. I don't know why one would try to use ransomware on transparent and traceable blockchains these days, where everyone can see where it is going, unless you are using 'privacy coins' which those are getting banned due to regulations.
All of that did not stop Stripe to continue supporting cryptocurrencies for payments [0], did it? It's really getting boring repeating the same old arguments from critics like Stephen Diehl [1] who is unable to ignore the whole thing after his failed blockchain startup venture Adjoint. [2] That's why he is grieving and wasting his energy towards cryptocurrencies.
[0] https://stripe.com/gb/use-cases/crypto
[1] https://twitter.com/smdiehl
[2] https://twitter.com/dystopiabreaker/status/14701269278180679...
The Internet started in the mid 1980s and became available to consumers in about '89[0]. The WWW was created in '90. By '94 it was wildly popular. Netscape IPOed the next year, with millions of users.
Generously, you could call that about 5 years from public availability to cultural dominance. Bitcoin has existed for three times that, and still doesn't have a use case that Beanie Babies didn't have.
I'm a believer in cryptocurrencies - or, I should say, in decentralised digital cash. But people like you are hurting it, not helping it. We need rational discussion that can soberly evaluate the flaws of a given implementation, not unthinking heavily-emotionalised tribalism.
[0] Incidentally, David Chaum founded DigiCash, the first cryptocurrency company, the same year.
If you ask me, the story of the internet and cryptocurrencies seems pretty similar.
Aside from that, I very much agree with you. I think digital cash has great promise - I can't imagine Visa and Mastercard still being a thing in 20-30 years. Some implementation of digital cash - I happen to think Bitcoin and its current siblings are not fit solutions - seems highly likely to proliferate in actual means-of-exchange usage. (In plain English: for buying stuff at supermarkets.)
But I think people like the commenter above are the obstacle to progress. We need motivated but rational innovators, who can analyse solutions through clear eyes, soberly and without dysfunctional ego investment in one technology or another.
These weird crypto stans are not technologists, they're fanboys, they make real innovators look bad, and they retard real progress by dementedly screaming at anyone who makes cogent criticisms of a given implementation. Those critics are our greatest asset and friend, not our enemy.
You think the blockchain is going to give you a credit limit?
As for credit limits: first off, Visa and Mastercard are payment systems - they don’t give you credit limits. Your card has ‘Visa’ or ‘Mastercard’ written on it, but it’s your bank that lends you the money to spend via V/M. I’m not proposing that the bank be replaced - I’m proposing that the payment system be replaced. Your bank will lend you money, and you will spend it using [tbd].
(BTW, I developed the lending algorithms at a unicorn startup bank. Billions in credit was dispensed by my code [and that of my reports]. I’m intimately familiar with that ecosystem. It’s not my central point here, but I do believe there’s substantial room for modernisation in that respect at almost every point in the chain: the CRAs, the lenders, the collections agencies, etc. If you’re interested, I’d be happy to expand, but right here I don’t want to distract from my actual point above.)
The time between the web opening and the end of the dot-com boom is about the same as the time between Bitcoin being announced and Ethereum going live, a period in which barely anyone used crypto and it had almost zero impact on the world. Even since then its wider impact is minute compared to what came from the dot-com boom.
> But people like you are hurting it, not helping it.
How exactly?
> We need rational discussion that can soberly evaluate the flaws of a given implementation, not unthinking heavily-emotionalised tribalism.
I have just counter argued my points made with real examples and evidence and the only person arguing with emotion are the creators of the 'Welcome to Web 3.0' page. And yes, I can even critique the aforementioned cryptocurrencies since every technology still always has it issues.
But just don't repeat the same arguments that I have just refuted. It is boring and I am only interested in looking for new criticisms. All my earlier points and questions about it being, slow, 'destroying the planet', etc still remain unchallenged.
Is it though? Valuable how? Has it been proven?
The core of the issue is that PoW is fundamentally a sort of algorithmic cancer that threatens to basically take over on the order of half of the worlds computational power to fuel worthless speculative trading. IMO there's an important argument to be had that trading on PoW blockchains should be outright banned. Yes, you can't get rid of it completely, but you can get the impact down to a manageable level.. like with cancers.
And yeah, then you have PoS and PoA blockchains. But it's yet to be proven that PoS provides the same level of security as PoW, and there's solid arguments that it never possibly could. PoA is fundamentally different from PoW and PoS, so you can argue whether it's even the same underlying thing. It's no longer truly decentralized. I think it could be very useful. It's just not as sexy and susceptible to fueling pyramid schemes, so it's less popular.
So to me it seems like we really don't know at all yet if the "underlying technology" is even providing a net positive value to society.
If the "underlying technology" here is trustless distributed blockchains (that is, PoA doesn't really apply), then I think there's an argument that the core of the idea is fundamentally broken. There is perhaps no such thing as a truly trustless system (for PoW/PoS blockchain, you're just converging on concentrating de-facto trust with a small clique of trading platforms and mining/wallet app developers), so maybe it's better to just be more explicit about where we're placing our trust (through solid cryptography if we can) and to make sure that those entities are democratic institutions worthy of our trust. But this quickly becomes a very deep and philosophical argument, so it's outside the scope of this comment.
I support further research and development into blockchain-related technology, I certainly think it could be truly valuable. But it's yet to be proven IMO.
Could you direct me to some of these arguments? My thought is the opposite, that something in the lines of PoS is more secure in the long-run because it tends towards decentralization. I guess the devil is in the details.
In order for validators to distinguish the main fork from any malicious long forks, they must start with a trusted checkpoint that's less than X days old, then sync at least every X days, where X is the unbonding period.
The "trusted checkpoint" notion seems to cause a lot of concern, but in my mind it's relatively harmless to just bake checkpoints into the client code (if done carefully - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29370309). Most clients already have some form of trusted checkpoints (even Bitcoin Core does, though they're deprecated), or at least a genesis block, which is effectively a checkpoint.
More here: https://eth.wiki/en/concepts/proof-of-stake-faqs#what-is-wea...
And some good discussion here: https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1045807027992182785
I'm pretty sure that's been said about email and its encryption/validation problem. And while it's still used, other products have come in and eaten its biggest market - asynchronous communication.
Inertia's a bitch, and when you have millions of users, you can't change things willy-nilly. At least, not if you want the product to be viewed as legitimate.