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> What is the nuanced thing you want to discuss?

Huh? Clearly this entire topic is a meta-topic. I have no particular axe to grind at the moment.

> Maybe just talk about something specific instead of just some broad “woke has gone to far”.

Well, I'm not the one regularly calling anyone I disagree with a Nazi Sympathizer. I'm not sure I've ever needed to, because the actual nazi sympathizers tend to be pretty explicit and proud of their views, and easy to avoid. People are free to lob that around labels like that if they want, but it's going to result in me not taking them seriously. To me, when I hear someone being called a "nazi sympathizer" I just assume that means "I really dislike that person"; which is very unfortunate in a boy-who-cried-wolf sense because I absolutely would like to know who the true nazi sympathizers are.

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>"Wokeness has gone too far, but I don't really have any concrete examples, I just guess it has somehow haha"

I mean you have to have something to make such a claim in your op. As for Trump, yes maybe they are not precisely but lets be honest

- Using fascist political tactics

- Said explicitly "Hitler did a lot of good things", doesn't seem a great move to have on the record unless its just to appeal to more radical people.

- Hired officials with ties to white nationalist groups.

- Empathised with neo Nazis in Charlottesville, eg Proud Boys.

- Endorses violence on external/opposition groups.

So come on, while themselves are not technically a fascist he definitely responsible for eroding democracy and liberalism. They are a right wing populist. I think it's fair to say sympathiser considering all of this. I feel they deliberately make it murky, more like leaving the door open to more radical people, while still being palatable for the less radicalised. A pretty serious and dangerous situation. Far more than some perceived "woke-ism".

I'm amused you "quoted" me for something I didn't say. If there is a specific thing I hate about the "woke" it's that they're dishonest.

I have no love for Trump, but if you want to be all political Obama kept all the worst policies of the Bush presidency (especially the wall street stuff). Worse, he escalated the drone strikes. IE, murdering people. Trump strikes me as run of the mill bad, so when I hear histrionics I generally assume its from someone that has no context of history. Your argument style is to put words into other peoples mouths. Stop fighting straw men.

Hey do you want an example of where wokeness has gone too far? Fallon Fox. They legalized a man beating the shit out of women because he identified as a woman. In my view, that's too far. Unless you want to put words in my mouth again, none of my world view celebrates a man beating up women. So congrats, theres a specific thing.

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