For Bin Laden.
America has done terrible things, but what Russia is doing to Ukraine is much worse than Afghanistan or Iraq.
When in recent history did the UK surround a city of another country and starve it to death whilst deliberately shelling civilians?
There isn't a comparison. Russia's actions in Syria are the most similar to the Ukraine situation that I'm aware of in recent history.
Is this a joke? I can think of three examples in the past 30 years.
I also forgot the highway of death... So four off the top of my head.
In Mariupol, thousands of civilians have died in days of Russian bombing (the mayor estimates up to 20 000, but 4000 already certified) - including the deliberately shelling of civilian buildings by Russian forces. They've cut off power, heating, water, and have bombed theatres, schools, hospitals. Corpses are rotting in the streets.
> When in recent history did the UK surround a city of another country and starve it to death whilst deliberately shelling civilians?
Yugoslavia, 1999... civil buildings were actual targets, not just "accidents"... from tobacco factories, to public television, bridges, etc. Also cluster bombed a city... If you count the "mistakes", also a passenger train, bus, group of escaping refugees, hospitals, schools, etc. Oh, and let's not forget the chinese embassy.
And USA is also currently occupying syria.
The Russians are intentionally destroying entire large cities, intentionally committing genocide against thousands of civilians in Ukraine. Intentionally seeking to starve and deprive the civilian population of the basic requirements of survival to further their conquest aims. At the rate Russia is going, it'll have intentionally murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians before the war is likely to end.
And it will pale in comparison to the 300 thousand civilians killed in the US intervention in Afghanistan alone. At least Russia will likely succeed in it's military objectives.
And now? It makes me sad, that so many american people actually consider themselves the "good guys" for destroying random countries and killing people there. Like they did nothing bad, when they bombed peoples houses, occupied their countries, stole their oil, etc.
Russia is directly, intentionlly killing the civilians in question in Ukraine. They're doing it on purpose, aiming for the civilians, to terrorize them into submission (and Russia has a very long history of this form of intentional terror-war against civilian populations in the name of conquest). Russia's genocide of Ukrainian civilians isn't a mistake of aiming, it's not an accident of war, it's not a whoops, they're trying to kill them and starve them (see what they're doing to Mariupol at present).
The difference between the two situations is exceptionally obvious and morally clear.
It's likely the Russians have exceeded that number in Mariupol alone in just a few weeks.
The difference in these numbers reflects that Russia is deliberately targeting civilians.
I condemn the occupation of Iraq, but agree it is exceptionally obvious that the two situations are in no way equivalent.
Source this.
This is urban warfare... ukrainian army hides in civilian buildings, shoot down at russian soldiers and tanks, tanks shoot back, and the damage a tank does is what you then see on tv. There were (now removed) videos on youtube, of ukrainian people trying to get the ukranian army out of their apartment building just because of that.
But looking at history, when US kills civilians, they arrest the whistleblower and threathen the webpage owner - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstri... - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
>You're pretending the US shot, bombed and killed all those civilians, when in fact that was an Iraqi-on-Iraqi sectarian civil war that produced such high civilian deaths,
Typing this and not realizing the obvious parallels to the Donetsk and Luhensk regions of Ukraine is laughable, and forces me to assume you lack the background necessary to make a real comparison between these two situations.
The US-led invasion of Iraq had ~4,000 civilian casualties in its month and half of fighting.
The Iraqi civil war had 70,000 civilian casualties in its 2 years.
The War in Donbas had 350 civilian casualties in its 8 years of fighting.
The Russian invasion has boosted that over 10,000 in less than a month.
...except for you people calling it "bombing for peace" - https://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1995/11...