Nobody fits their gender norms perfectly. No culture has identical gender norms. Even physiologically chromosomes are more nuanced than X and Y.
And then there are also the gazillion of traumatized people who just fight against those who abuse them, whether it's justified or not, whether they hit the right target or the wrong one.
It's all not that simple...
(Similar to the question of: if people claim gender is a social construct how can someone be the wrong one?)
I think the solution is nothing new, it relies on going back to teaching a classical liberal definition of tolerance and the objective morality of empathy and compassion. No need to reinvent the wheel.
What percent of male sexual offenders will sexually assault women, vs the general female prison population assaulting women?
You are literally locking foxes with the hens.
On a sidenote, your excusing away of this behaviour under the guise of "it happens anyway" is ridiculous. I wonder under what prison in the world assault and violence is a solved problem. Oh, complete isolation prisons I guess.
We literally house women who've sexually assaulted women with other women, and men who've sexually assaulted men with other men.
> On a sidenote, your excusing away of this behaviour under the guise of "it happens anyway" is ridiculous.
I am not excusing the behavior, rather the opposite: I'm saying that we shouldn't allow sexual assault in prison period. Ever. I think it is ridiculous that we accept it at all.
And We don’t accept it. That’s not why it happens. It happens because it’s not possible to prevent it.
You clearly have some utopian vision of humanity but the reality is different.
Unfortunately like most things our desires eclipse our capabilities and/or resources.
Besides which, I reject the notion that we cannot do a better job prevent sexual assault in prison. In the US at least, prison conditions are horrifically bad because a significant portion of the population likes it that way. We're a cheap, vengeful, petty people on the whole.
Yes, we can't make it perfect. So what? Perfect is the enemy of good. I think we would be better served by dealing with the problem of prison's high incidence of sexual assault in general instead of just this one narrow case.
The whole thing is obvious right-wing outrage trolling. Yes, before someone says it, the left does outrage trolling too.
Read Utah's Republican governor's letter on his veto of an anti-trans bill: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/03/read-utah-governors-...
TL;DR: I am vetoing this because it's pointless theatrics that could hurt people.
I must also add that this is a tiny percentage of people here. Even if (hypothetically) this is not a good thing, it's not going to cause the (rolls eyes) collapse of Western civilization.
A nuclear war on the other hand could destroy Western civilization. I hear one of the extreme right's favorite strongman buffoons is threatening such a thing right now.
"arms race heats up just as china reveals space nukes america responds with trans admiral"
https://babylonbee.com/news/arms-race-heats-up-just-as-china...
This particular joke isn't funny because if the story were real it would be badass. The USA could put nukes in space in a heartbeat. We even have a fucking space force. We could put tons of nukes in space with giant reusable stainless steel rockets. That would give us transsexual admirals commanding 1950s-style sci-fi shiny rockets full of nuclear space missiles, which would totally badass.
It would be the ultimate nightmare vision of the evil liberal industrial rational West's Kali Yuga vaporizing the brave strongman soldiers of Traditionalism. Take that Dugin! Take that Putin-on-a-horse!
Even worse... make the atomic trans space admiral Jewish...
It's showing that the priorities of pushing identity politics down everyone's throat is soo out of perspective. Identity politics driven agenda's are such a idiosyncratic luxury that's only possible because of serious people doing serious things.
The serious things are what matter, the out of perspective moral outrage over LESS important things is so overblown. The silent majority is sick of it, totally sick of it.
Civilization is frivolous. This conversation is frivolous. Culture of any kind is only possible because of "serious people doing serious things." Farmers stop farming and power plants shut down and most people will stop writing novels, making films, playing music, or yes debating the edge cases of social norms like gender. Unless you code for power, farming, or health care applications you'd probably stop coding too.
The right only invokes this "get serious" line when it's something they personally think is unnecessary, ignoring the fact that 90% of what they do is also unnecessary.
The bigger and wealthier civilization gets the more frivolous things it will produce. Pretty soon we'll be spewing rocket ships to the Moon and Mars, which are really damn frivolous over any time scale that matters to any living person.
Also I'm sure for people who strongly feel that they are gender-atypical this is a serious issue. There's an article somewhere about someone who posed as trans for a week to gonzo-report on just how shitty trans people are treated.
Edit: you can do your own experiment in the frivolity of "identity politics." Find a stock photo of a cute girl and pose as her in programming forums for a week or two. Hope you like weird and inappropriate come-ons, lewd messages, and a 50/50 split between people pretending to hang on your every word and people ignoring your opinion. I have never dealt with any of that shit as a white male programmer but I've heard loads of stories.
I do get the concern about trans women in womens' sports. As far as I know that is the only "edge case" where the people pushing back on trans rights have an actual point. The rest of it is pure moral outrage trolling and obsessing over things other people are doing that don't impact you. There is no other job or activity I can think of where this matters. The outrage over it is as stupid as the outrage over plastic straws.
should add a ‘to me’ at the end. It’s extremely popular.
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/01/22/as-christ...
Realizing that one is in a bubble that has definitions of what is and is not funny is the first step to understanding a neighbor :)