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I wonder if you've thought this through properly. I suspect that, if your vision were to be enacted, there would be no more forums. No more Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Hacker News, niche PHP forums, comment sections, etc, etc. Why? Because they'd devolve into spam and/or people arguing past each other. For example, given your current definition I believe it would be acceptable for someone to write a script to post useless replies to every single Hacker News post and comment, effectively rendering the board useless.

Right now, HN has the right to delete those. If it was a common carrier, it would presumably not. Arguably they're spam, but I cannot imagine a way you can define "spam" that is narrow enough to not be redefined by everyone as "things I disagree with", but broad enough to capture someone posting excessively to a forum. Note that this wouldn't violate the CAN-SPAM act because it's not advertising anything commercial.

I have thought that through and considered putting that in my post, but I didn't want to dilute the original thought.

Of course I support the idea of "off topic", but it is something that needs a lot of consideration and however one writes such a restriction, it's liable for abuse and probably has a zillion edge cases. E.g. is it off topic if I post "<your favorite politician> hates cat videos" onto a cat video forum? What if I am a moderator with <other side> political views, and I allow those posts if they come from people that agree with me and disallow them if they come from people who agree with you? What if I divide my site into multiple sub-fora, one of which is "politics of cat videos"? What if de facto use of my forum or a sub-forum becomes political discussion, but that everyone attaches a cat video to each post?

In other words, yes, I have thought a lot about it, but this warrants its own separate discussion.

That's a very reasonable response. I'd add another thought: A site (e.g., Twitter) could define "off-topic" as anything that goes against its Terms of Service or Code of Conduct (CoC), which would probably result in exactly where we are now. Same problem with a lot of similar ideas - "Spam? Anything that violates our CoC is spam"; "Degrades the experience for the user? We feel that violating our CoC degrades the user experience"; and so on. Not a problem easily (or even able to be, IMO) solved.

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