No.
I remember when Ukraine tossed out a Russian puppet and Russia nearly immediately invaded and has been continuously at war with Ukraine since.
When was this time that Russia wasn't a threat and Ukraine was having trainings with NATO?
Yanukovych left Kyiv on Feb 21nd 2014, was ousted as president by the 22d and fled to Russia by the 26th. [0, 1]
Russia invaded Crimea with boots on the ground by Feb 22-23d. [2]
I wager people who still accept the NATO pretense never checked the timelines of how this started in the first place.
0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych
1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War#2014_Russi...
This is about Russia attempting a genocide of the Ukrainian people.
This is not the first time Russian state attempted such a thing. Holodomor was an engineered famine with the intent of destroying Ukraine. And now they are at it again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Generally as a state Russia is just horrible to all of the nations at it's borders it feels it has enough force to subjugate.
They are not idiots - they realize NATO would never invade Russia.
However, what NATO would have done, is give Ukrainian so much force projection capability within their territory Russia could never threaten them militarily again.
This about a narcissistic bully wanting to subjugate as many people by fear under it's thumb as possible.
Sept 2021: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/ukraine-h... https://www.army.mil/article/250444/us_nato_ukraine_enhance_...
But one training can still be seen as a threat on the border of a superpower? IS Army.mil news credible enough for US people outside the reach of russian propaganda? Does it reply your question when was US training on the border of Russia? Can we accept US as a enemy of europe? Or better, can we accept the fact that US is only giving important to ITS own interests without care of the safety of anyone else? (makes sense, it should be european leaders representing europeans interests), but someone should be able to say, european leaders currently suck, damaging their people in order to represent US interests in ukraine
It does not count as a time when Russia was not a threat.
Yes, NATO conducted trainings with Ukraine during the ongoing war started by Russia.
I think the issue is that US has been involved in the political environment of a EU bordering country, without any opposition from European leaders.
No, I asked, and I will quote directly, “When was this time that Russia wasn't a threat and Ukraine was having trainings with NATO?”
That was the claim: that NATO conducted multiple trainings with Ukraine when Russia was not a threat, and that this was the casus belli for Russian aggression. Leaving aside that this would not be legitimate casus belli in any case, it is simply factually false: all the NATO trainings occurred during the war, after Russian aggression against Ukraine began. There cannot retroactively justify the aggression.
Wrong. NATO had at least one Partnership for Peace exercise in Ukraine in October 2002, a few hours drive from L'Viv.[1]
And just to be specific; this doesn't justify any aggression on Russia's behalf, sovereign nations are free to decide who to ally with.
This is absurd. US has been the guarantor of European peace and indenpendence after the second world war.
European union basically started as a Washington think tank project.
Yes, US wants to advance it's own interests. No, it does not make US enemy of "Europe". Which is a silly way to put it. "Europe" is not a single polity or a state (not yet at least). It is still a collection of independent nation states. Most of which want to be aligned with US.
Nobody is forcing them to be aligned with US.
China or Russia would be happy to welcome them into their fold of corrupt autocracy.
Europe and US are strongly aligned economically, culturally and politically, while the world around them turns authoritarian.
Sure, they sometimes play against each other.
But, US and the nations of Europe are first and foremost allies.
Nor would they get denazified™ if they decide to align closer to another power.
But the current EU started after the second world war.
The entity considered the progenitor of EU is the European Coal and Steel community
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun...
This was peak cold war and US influence in Europe was non-neglible to say the least.
While the reporting around the subject is a bit hyperbolical, strong Washington backing was always a cornerstone of the project
https://web.archive.org/web/20220130132451/https://www.teleg...