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Some questions:

1) Who do you think started this violence? Did Ukraine invade Russia or did Russia invade Ukraine?

2) Who do you pull for when one person attacks another? The bully or the victim?

To me, these two questions and their answers determine my sympathies. You were lied to about Iraq and you are right to mistrust the US government, but the world media is not the US government. If you see reports from multiple news sources about mass graves and such, you should believe them.

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>Who do you think started this violence? Did Ukraine invade Russia or did Russia invade Ukraine?

Who cares? Not our fight.

>Who do you pull for when one person attacks another? The bully or the victim?

Such infantile moralizing displays a profound case of arrested development in the moral faculties. Geopolitics is not a marvel movie.

Not our fight? Have you heard of Chamberlain?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeasement

The fact that Ukraine now defends itself means that we are in a very different situation. None of the countries Hitler annexed during the appeasement actually defended themselves, he got them for free through diplomacy. If they did defend themselves instead of joining the German side then Germany wouldn't have been threat, and there would be no need for an alliance against them and Germany wouldn't have been the biggest threat in WW2. That is the situation we see today, Ukraine is defending itself, there is no way Russia can continue invading like that, they can't afford it, so the WW2 scenario has already been averted.

yeah the problem is that these are obviously the wrong questions. You behave like a doctor treating the symptoms rather than the root cause. Why not ask "_why_ did Russia invade Ukraine?" The answer is that nobody wants to deal with the inconvenient truth that the US contributed heavily to the inflamed tensions.

You present a false dichotomy. I can have sympathies for Ukraine and distrust the US at the same time. Not viewing Russia as a cartoon villain is far more realistic than what the Western media is pushing.

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