Of course, the key is that you can have both with the right transportation options.
Of course, the key is that you can have both with the right transportation options.
I live in the city. It's loud af, but general traffic is only a small part of it. Essential services like police, ambulance, and fire sirens, and trash collection are massively loud. Then you've got bars blasting music on Fridays. People shouting, laughing, and, in general, existing (often till the wee hours of the morning). They there's the meth-fueled tweakers shouting obscenities. Construction noises. Road work. etc..
Density in general is loud.
I don't live in a suburb so it would be very odd for me to complain about a hypothetical suburb I don't live in, even though I'd have more complaints if I did live in a suburb. Just how HN as a whole talks about making tech jobs better (e.g. this remote work thread, which isn't relevant to most jobs) far more than it does about other jobs: it's just more relevant to the people here, and even if they overall like their tech job, they want it to be better.
I agree, but even then I'm pretty much done with cities and that benefit would be wasted on me :)