Comment by jelliclesfarm | Hacker News Reader

Comment by jelliclesfarm | Hacker News Reader

Is there a tl;dr for this Twitter thread?

He lost me at : [..]Elon is one of those, because he doesn't understand what has happened to internet culture since 2004. Or as I call it, just culture. [..] They would like you (the users) to stop squabbling over stupid shit and causing drama so that they can spend their time writing more features and not have to adjudicate your stupid little fights.[..]

Internet ‘culture’ in 2004 and even a decade before that was Glorious!

I think we should all squabble more and get it out of our systems. A society that doesn’t interact genuinely(even if it’s ‘squabbling’) is a sterile society.

The sentiments expressed there..that I think I grokked..is like someone who has never had sex trying to explain sex to 40 year old virgins.

Free expression is too valuable and precious to be sacrificed for techbros to ‘write more features’.

They are trying to sterilize the Interwebs. They are trying to redefine the ‘Free’ in free speech. I hope they fail.

The tl;dr is that running a social network / content moderation is a really fucking hard problem, and Musk has no clue what he's in for. That no matter how much you are against censorship, you will eventually have to do it to some level when running a sufficiently large platform, and every tiny mistake you make will be interpreted the worst way possible, and each side will use it as proof that you are discriminating against them.

Also, I don't think that quote was saying 2004 culture was bad, far from it. He was just trying to say the way we ran the internet back in 2004 no longer "works" today.

I mean it does. 4chan still exists it just isn't as popular as twitter.

Thanks.

I would still vote for more squabbling. Because every conflict will end if there are ways to exit and ‘keep face’(a Chinese concept of losing with dignity).

Having no other big social media alternatives, people are unable to find community and think it’s better to kill instead of sparring. As in..better to cancel someone and deplatform an opponent rather than fighting it out.

It’s good to ‘squabble’, I feel..because when you squabble, we recognize who to avoid and who is like minded. In the long run, it results in a truly diverse community that has long term peace.

Almost 8 billion people and only one Twitter. There should be more. Why isn’t SV and the rest of tech community not coming up with more viable competition?

Twitter could invest in non competing spawns for other topics or in other regions witb their systems code and/or open sourcing their code. I mean..with a little bit of creative thinking, so many possibilities exist.

Give people room to wander..the internet is big!

He addresses that too. The kind of "squabbling" you have in your mind is far from what kind of "squabbling" that actually happens in practice. In practice you have death threats, doxxing, and a lot more animosity than the fun "Squabbling" you're thinking of.

could it be because we have lost our right to anonymity? in today's internet 'culture'(i use the term loosely because its not a culture..its more of a marketplace), the user IS the product. twitter et al is the pimp.

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