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In this hypothetical I thought we were talking about a founder-operator. It seems like your point does not work in this case?

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A founder-operator has two roles in the company - as owner, being the founder and thus a shareholder, and as director or whatever work role they have. I only take issue with the former part as I think people should have a say in how the company they are a part of is run. Directorship is still a skilled job that should be compensated thusly.

Ah I think we got to the core thank you.

You believe that when you join an organization you automatically have a say in how it is run.

I think that an organisation is just a group of people and just like in our countries, we should be able to make our voices heard democratically. I think we should aim to make more areas of our lives democratic, including our workplaces where we spend much of our lives.

So yeah, I think you should have a voice in how the company you work for is run.

Is this not captured by “voting with your feet” by choosing to work there/leave there?

(This of course does not apply to the very disadvantaged)

I think voting with your feet only works in theory, because Amazon is well known to engage in abusive employment practices (including according to workers) and yet has a great number of warehouse and delivery staff and its founder is the second (?) richest man on earth. Many low paying jobs have high turnover rates because they can just use people up until they quit (if they even have that option) and then bring in an unemployed person. They have to incentive to treat their employees with decency.

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