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To add to that - the way we do sports and extracurricular activities is absolutely mind blowingly different now, too.

Back in my day, neighborhood kids played baseball and football and basketball together as they could. Now everything is structured and scheduled. There are travel teams for kindergartners. There is a coaching structure for 5 year olds. Kids play for competition, winning, and opportunity, not just for fun.

Maybe this is just me being old, but it's very depressing. It adds a layer of pressure to childrens' lives that just doesn't need to exist. Parents complain about it, I can't imagine it's healthy for kids, but it still exists.

It's so bleak.

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Getting the kids into structured, college-application-fodder activities early enough, so that the kids can get into Stanford and get a job that pays enough so they can repeat the cycle of abuse, err, pattern of success with their kids.

These societal changes extend far beyond the cohort that will attend Ivy League schools.

I think the point was more about it being an arms race where nobody ends up better off but just has to work harder and is more stressed.

And Stanford is the metaphorical dragon everyone is chasing.

> Getting the kids into structured, college-application-fodder activities early enough, so that the kids can get into Stanford and get a job that pays enough so they can repeat the cycle of abuse, err, pattern of success with their kids.

Those of us who grew up poor are eager to make sure our kids are on a path for success.

Working hard at the rat race sucks, but it sucks a lot less than the alternative.

There are exceptions, though. I wound up being a track and field coach for kids aged 6-9 in the local athletic union.

Much to my surprise and delight, the culture from the national association and down is that kids this young will NOT compete in the traditional sense - sure, they may join local games, but the results will not be published in ranked order, and everybody gets a medal.

During training, coaches are encouraged to focus on the competition with oneself - 'Good, you long jumped 3" longer than you've ever done before!' Rather than 'Wow, Anna jumped longer than everybody else!'

It can get serious later on. When they're kids, let them be kids and have fun.

(This, though, is in egalitarian to a tee Scandinavia)

Yet some in America decry participation trophies and say it is the source of all the problems.

I agree that kids should just be kids and focus on self improvement. It’s why I’ve always liked golf.

Isn't competition with oneself also detrimental at that age? It puts them under the pressure of constant improvement from their previous best. Shouldn't the process be just letting them build a habit/system and enjoy the process rather than focusing on personal records?

-Oh, anything can be bad if overdone.

What balance we've struck is that coaches keep track of their results - say, to the nearest 4 inches in the long jump pit, we've labeled the edge in 4" increments and see how they fare without making a fuss of it.

Then, at the close of the season, we typically note that everybody has made significant progress, and then it's time for 'Listen, Ken, when we first started outdoor season, you jumped here - and now (big stride!) - now you jump HERE.'

I would be most surprised if any kid felt under pressure to improve from their previous best; however, kids, like adults, tend to like both to make progress and to know that others notice, too.

They aren't going to make that High School sports team if they aren't practicing while still in diapers.

In the old days schools were small enough that pretty much everybody who bothered to show up could make the team. These days they have to turn away most of the kids and the level of play is much higher. Academics are the same way, if you want your kids in the good school they need to be hounded throughout their entire childhood. If you want to see this in action, just check out the parents who were apoplectic over the change in admissions policy at Thomas Jefferson High School. They kept their kid under huge pressure for 15 years and suddenly some slackers that even played outside in unstructured activities might make it instead?

High School sports team?

Nah, they need to be on the Gold Travel Squad for the Select club

AAU basketball has entered the chat.

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