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>(DM is spending 14 hours a day in a conference room 7 days a week.) YOu can only do that so many years in a row before saying enough. That's why Intel lost so many people to Apple a few years ago.

I refuse to believe that people went from Intel to Apple for quality of life improvements

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There are many sides to apple. The CPU architecture side is not the same as software, cloud, or products/apps, it is run very differently. It's almost a different company. The architects and designers I know left because they were tired of Intel forcing crazy product roadmap twists and turns, and demands on their time, seemingly going nowhere. Apple's Mx silicon has been a smashing success, quite a change from Intel's architectural constipation and chain-yanking of their engineers. Most employees at Intel are pigeonholed, and it is rare that an opportunity to break out without having to move cities occurs, and many took it.

Less abuse is still better than more abuse?

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