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The only difference I know is the autopilot feature set and I don't think anyone cares (unless you paid for FSD but most people dont buy that option for that reason in Europe).

> lot of people give them back because of it.

What ? What are you talking about ? This is non-sense.

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Not all customizations available, no Messenger support, no game support the list goes on and on. NoN sEnSe...

“A lot of people” are returning their Teslas due to no messaging and game support? Unlikely.

It's in the latest print magazine of the ADAC from n=548 Tesla customers there was a alpha return rate of 13.80% and a beta return rate of 14.50%. Mercedes (n=728) has a alpha return of 5.8% and a beta of 6.7%. VW (n=912) has alpha 7.4% and beta from 6.8%. It's a lot.

Tesla only make BEV. The Mercedes and VW stats seem to include all their vehicules and it just make another meaningless stats. People know what they get when they purchase a ICE vehicles whereas BEV is new territory. This stat is comparing apple and oranges...

I'm really impressed by the amount of anti Tesla FUD in here...

I propose we let the sales figures talk and see what people are buying instead of claiming people dont want them...

In March, in Europe, Tesla had 2 models in the top 3 for new registrations (all types of cars included).

Source: https://insideevs.com/news/583329/europe-plugin-car-sales-ma...

This may not be the case here and I couldn't quickly find data -- but Tesla has done "drops" in the past where they deliver many pre-ordered vehicles in a certain month and completely annihilate other EV sales that month.

That said, Tesla has undeniably strong sales. I have no idea how VW currently compares and if they are really going to make a dent.

Tesla currently has this high-end "halo" but as it's trickling down to more consumers, I think some of their high-price customers will migrate to Porsche, Lucid, Rivian, ID.Buzz (even the EQS) but they'll sell more cars to the broad masses. Then it will be interesting to see how regular customers feel about the $10k auto-pilot and supposed build-quality issues.

I don't own a Tesla but test-drove a few Model S and that acceleration is exhilarating, and vomit-inducing for back-seat passengers :)

> I propose we let the sales figures talk and see what people are buying instead of claiming people dont want them. In March, in Europe, Tesla had 2 models in the top 3 for new registrations

Volkswagen has been selling the most EVs in Europe since 2020 when they overtook Tesla:

https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Y...

Volkswagen's sales are split across multiple models from multiple brands.

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