The thing about Patreon is that it sucks for users too (as in, the consumers). Both the website and the app really suck. They look horrible, have few features, and often work poorly. It essentially serves as a notification platform that I then try to bounce out of into YouTube or wherever as soon as possible. It's kind of mind boggling that they seem to leave so much engagement on the table when even a mediocre website would probably keep me on there longer and thus potentially get me introduced to other creators, vs. that being solely through YouTube or something else. Then again, maybe it's a better investment to figure out way to take 17% from creators than to figure out ways to get people to find more creators.