France bans veggie ′steaks,′ ′sausages′ to describe vegetarian products
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If I were vegan, I'd feel offended.
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"Not dogs" are hot dogs made of tofu
Of course there is always "faux fu" for the tofu intolerant.
As usual, Simpsons did it: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfM7dvFto0>
Steak végétal => Steakal or Stékal
Saucisse végétale => Saucissal or Saucissal
Done
It's bad enough we have to see these hose-armed and hose-legged people pictograms from every tech company, but now they're on my food as well?
Cut a "steak" off that plank, no no not cross-grain, I meant along the grain. Ok so nobody calls a plank a steak. but we do talk about "grain" in muscle and wood, and guess what, "grain" introduces legal nightmares when it comes to labelling cuts of meat, and wood.
A very cross-grained argument. Oh yea, "corn" and "wheat" are knocking at the door ever since english encountered the americas.
If we succeed in growing cell cultures from samples as in Kornbluth and Pohl's "Space Merchant" chicken Little (1950s) or Asimov's 'zymoveal' (1950s) what are we going to call it? Is cell cultured meat still meat and this is just an attack on the plants?
For example, coconut milk is named so simply because it's a white liquid. It's not trying to be a replacement for milk, or trying to confuse people, it's just a metaphor.
But vegan milk, sausages, etc, are all meant to be as similar to the real things as possible so as to cause confusion.
"Sausage" is such a generic term, covering so very many things, that it's bizarre to try and restrict it.
(edit: almost forgot we are talking about France, a country which tries to control its language by law. Carry on then!)
I get why this is controversial, but keep in mind that a lot of countries do that. English is the outlier here, and that's because it's not being threatened the same way other national languages are.
You're completely right that French is far from the only language with a centralized linguistic authority. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_language_regulators)
As a matter of fact, the United States is all in as a language regulator: they have a language regulator ... for Spanish! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Academy_of_the_...)
Where you are absurdly wrong, is where you say that the threat to a language is the reason for the existence of a language academy. It simply isn't; the reasons are purely historical for almost all languages. I mean, Cardinal Richelieu founded l'académie française. French was not threatened during the reign of Louis XIII!
In France various types of sausage are with protected names and origins ( e.g. Toulouse, Montbéliard, etc.), so usually sausage is a very precise term and you know what you're getting.
But Veal and Beef is actually similar. Rose Veal is most definitely not Veal. It was named Rose Veal to try and market what they do with slaughterhouses and with discard young from the dairy industry, to break from the old practices (male milk calves have low value. farming it for veal was how farmers made money from discards)
Rose veal is not veal, why did they keep the veal word?
Source? I would assume they are as similar to the real thing as possible in order to be as similar to the real thing as possible. I.e. an alternative for people who do not want to source their food from animals, but do want their food to have characteristics similar to those that are sourced from animals.
For example this pack of ground beef says "Made from plants" in clear large letters on the front https://www.target.com/p/impossible-plant-based-burger-groun...
What confusion are the trying to cause
For a long time the taste couldn’t compare for any product. The fact that the pressure is building to keep the death part can only mean the taste is good enough for enough people that buying habits are changing.
I can see the protection of local business, and France has a strong farming and taste leadership history, but this change towards plant meat is inevitable and good for the world as a whole. Countries can innovate or end up losing this battle and only importing fake meat tech.
They were the same shape, size and color as the milk based yogurts sitting all around them on the shelf. The only clue was the word "soya" printed at the bottom edge of the tubs in small letters. The kind of letters you'd expect to tell you something like the container size or the country the milk came from.
To be fair this vegan nogurt tastes almost the same as the real thing. But I did not appreciate being tricked into buying it.
I agree that products shouldn't be deceptive, but this is a false dichotomy. More accurately the example should be "Beef Burger", then have it written in small "(dog meat)" as (at least in the West) even meat eaters don't like the idea of eating dogs.
Same does not apply to companies that try to mislead people by calling something not meat meat or cheese or so on.
If you haven't eaten meat for decades, you will probably become violently ill if you eat meat.
Anyone getting sick is most definitely having a psychological reaction (i.e.: a choice) rather than a physiological one. As a young man out in the world on my own I quickly discovered that all the anti-meat propaganda that I was raised with was nothing other than just that. No matter what you're eating, a balanced diet is paramount. Everything in moderation.
Thanks for letting me know!
They just happen to choose not to eat animal based products.
The viciousness in your comment makes it clear though, that it does affect you quite a bit.
However, I am just generally not very observant. I frequently buy sparkling water by accident.
Kast, a right-wing populist politician in Chile, made a big stink during his failed presidential bid over "Not Milk." He said only milk from "happy cows" should be promoted. These so-called proponents of the free market sure do hate competition.
https://www.cnnchile.com/pais/kast-critico-notmilk-necesitam...
You got to be joking.
Actually I'm pretty sure basically _everyone_ gets irritated when they think they're buying one thing, but instead get another.
I don't think Apicius was trying to sneakily confuse non-vegans when he said "lacte nucis".
But I guess arguably the question of whether confusion is being intentionally sowed has more to do with the how the the commonly understood meaning of words today than their historical meanings.
Maybe a better statistic is: how often to people buy vegan/meat products mistakenly when trying to but meat/vegan products. It's obviously not an easy statistic to gather, but it is probably a bit more tractable than focusing so much on language in particular. I've certainly made this mistake myself.
Honestly I don't really see why. Yeah the really cheap ones have a lower meat content than other countries tend to use, but german bratwurst are often around 85%(ish) meat, and it's very easy to find British sausages which have that much or higher meat content.
I think like many British food stereotypes, it's likely several decades past being factual, and probably has its roots in the post-war and post-rationing eras.
Does it relate to rationing? I am sure it does. Remember the UK kept rationing to the 1950s and was not faring well postwar because the US cut off the taps, when the war ended. Rationing improved food quality for people on average, but there was a net decline in high quality inputs for a decade.
I am told by Uruguayan friends that what we eat in Fray Bentos pies, would not be acceptable sold over the counter in Montevideo. But that said, they are immensely proud of the link to the british diet!
I've migrated to Australia (again) recently and the diet here is pretty British too. Fish and Chips everywhere, though with more interesting fish and calamari on all the menus. 'Servo' pies which are sold from gas stations and are about as bad as fish and chip shop pies in the UK.
Sausages (well, 'snags') are a big thing here too, though the default meat seems to be beef. This includes my fix of real bad junk, which I used to indulge in a couple of times a year, usually when hungover, a McDonalds sausage McMuffin. It's just not the same when it's not cheap-ass over-salted pork...
I don't mind some cereal in a sausage, but that said I really did get to like "Heck" and some of the other 97%+ brands.
I seriously think this misrepresents what most Aussie's put on their fork (or more likely their chopsticks). Go into any shopping mall food court, out of 20 offerings maybe 3 will be the McKFCKing chains, there will be a very multinational salad bar with a roast meat side, a juice bar, and then 2 or 3 Mediterranean style, a Mexican, and maybe 10 Asian (3 styles of Chinese, Thai, Viet, Korean, Sushi and a few fusion style). The final seafood will do your Pop's Fish and Chips but also a gazillion crustacea and molluscs. Supermarkets are full of international food sections, fruit and veges that just wouldn't be available 30 years ago.
Definitely 50 years ago it was very much plain lamb chop and 3 veg, but anyone under 40 almost certainly will be eating very multiculturally.
However there is definitely a heavy British influence, I know of only four countries on the planet that have fish and chip shops distributed all over the place like this (and not purely for tourists): The UK, Ireland, NZ and Aus.
Kidding aside, don't think they're really known outside of Britain. You are probably bringing it up because at some point the EU objected to it being called a meat product because, at least then, a selection failed to meet the required (muscle) meat content (British sausages are very fatty). Precisely because words mean different things to different people, it is worth attempting to come up with a definition and then using it.
The Reinheitsgebot had nothing to do with a debate over what beer is and what it isn't.[1] The purpose of the regulation was to stop driving up the price of wheat up so more bread could be made and also to protects people from unscrupulous brewers using toxic additives in their brews. Everyone still agreed that thing was beer even if they had different preferences for the type of beer they preferred.
Miyoko makes vegan cheese and brought the California Department of Food and Agriculture to court to challenge their ban on the term "cheese" to represent her products. She won.
https://aldf.org/article/miyokos-victorious-in-first-amendme...
I was tricked into buying vegan sausages. They don't deserve protection either.
If vegan cheese is a problem i’d like to hear your take on “electric car”
"Real vegan cheese" should not be a problem as long as you're selling a real product. The problems would begin if you were selling real cheese as "Really vegan cheese".
“Really” makes the sentence more clear, because it adds emphasis to the “vegan” modifier on “cheese” - it wouldn’t apply to the “cheese” part directly. I.e. in the sentence “really big cheese” the “really” is clearly adding emphasis to the “big”.
The main point is that when you make laws that make it illegal to call something "vegan cheese" or "vegan steak", you are even more likely to be confronted with those confusing and misleading labels. If anything, the law should be the other way round, require a label that plain and simply says "vegan $product" prominently.
Unfortunately that is not always the case. I don’t know about the parent but I accidentally bought a “Chick’n Burrito” that was right next to the meat burritos. It did not taste like chicken.
Could it have been avoided had I been more careful? Sure! On the other hand vegan dishes taste better than fake meat dishes and I really don’t appreciate the intentionally misleading labeling riding on the good PR of “chicken” and “butter” to try to sell their fakes. Missing a character swap or substitution is not a difficult thing for literate people who are also very tired at the end of the day.
If you want to sell some vegetables or vegetable oil to vegans, I would have thought that vegans would go for it without the unappetizing association with dead, smelly, greasy animal carcasses.
Why does vegan food have to resemble the things that vegans avoid?
>Why does vegan food have to resemble the things that vegans avoid?
First off: it's not just vegans who buy or are interested in this stuff. People can find it beneficial from a sustainability point of view.
Second, people like the originals! We have rich culinary history with recipes and tastes that people don't necessarily want to give up, but may want a more sustainable/cruelty free/[insert your reason here] alternative.
Even so: reading ingredients is honestly not that hard.
Just because a plant based lifestyle is burdensome, doesn't mean people think it should be. And by that reasoning neither should any other diet. So I don't get why the projection of your experience onto the experience of others is so necessary
The whole point of these lawsuits is to damage vegan alternatives which are growing in popularity.
Off the top of my head:
Miyoko's, Daiya, Kite Hill, Violife, Forager, Field Roast (Chao), Nuts for Cheese, Dr. Cow, Vtopian, Parmela Creamery
And with a bit of googling:
Moocho (from Tofurky), GoVeggie!, Follow Your Heart (how'd I forget them?), Treeline, So Delicious, Koko Dairy Free, Vitalite, Sheese (hard to find in the US, I think), New Roots, Tofutti (ick), Kinda Co., Cheeze & Thank You, Darë, Catalyst Creamery, Moo No More, RIND, SriMu, Virgin Cheese, Reina Royal Vegan Cuisine
Ok, you get the point.
To be fair, a number of the brands in the second list are niche artisanal products you can only get either directly from the vendor, at niche shops like a vegan cheese shop, or online from a place like Vegan Essentials.
How on earth do you think this is either true or a defense?
Usually, but not always. I’ve seen them collocated more frequently of late and almost made the same mistake before comparing price. The text was so small I would not have noticed without price setting me off. It clearly can be deceptively packaged and I would imagine many marketing departments will try if they think it’ll make them money.
Vegan cheese is not, it shouldn't use cheese in it.
Eg. Gluten free cheese would be processed cheese of milk with a lot extracted out of it. But it would still originate from milk.
I hope you weren't ill for too long.
I don't even know how that is possible unless one is extremely unattentive. In my experience, vegan and vegetarian substitute products are universally located in the specialty section of the grocer and nearly universally advertise their plant-based status prominently.
These products cost more than the real thing, so why try to fool anyone into thinking they're real meat? The market that is willing to pay more will do so precisely because they aren't real meat so that's what you want to advertise.
The idea is that people will get introduced to "close-tasting" plant-based meat alternatives, and it seems to have worked out pretty well for them, since they've been incredibly successful.
It's been 18 years since I've eaten real meat, so I'm perhaps not the best judge, but they seem very similar to me.
https://youtu.be/8uN8PUU5U2Q?t=1463
(Shows Beyond Burger placed next to meat burgers in a French supermarket).
Accidentally buying a "sausage" that wasn't to your taste could have happened even if it was animal product based. If the status quo changes so that non-vegans need to start reading ingredients sometimes, or they might end up buying food that isn't enjoyable to them, that's a positive in my mind. People should be more conscious about "how the sausage is made" so to speak.
To be clear, the false assumptions are that her product is cheese, when it's not, and that it tastes, smells or feels like cheese, when it doesn't.
The problem is, consumers aren't actually confused.
Different names will used if need be and consumers will continue the trend of reducing their meat consumption for environmental, health, or ethical reasons.
Falafel, for example, is amazing and didn't need to be called "Chickpea Burgers" for people to like it.
Someone raised vegetarian or who hasn't eaten meat in a long time may repulsed by the thought of eating meat has no interest in names that remind them of eating animals.
You’re right about a lot of veggie substitutes but nuggets are one of the cases where it is just as good.
Made from fresh buffalos I presume?
I mean they were right next to the mammoth bites and dodo eggs, how was I supposed to know?
Come on. Nuggets are 99% the breading.
Don't assume everyone is a vegetarian or vegan for the same reasons.
Also falafel is awesome and I wish there were more fast-food falafel joints in the world.
I don't know -- seems like a lot of people don't think of sheep when they see the word "fleece". Why should it be any different with food?
For that matter I know what chicken tastes like, but I don't get that product when I go to the grocery and get something labeled "chicken".
Although some are on the extreme side. If you put this next to actual bacon and I'm in a rush with a kid, I could imagine not noticing https://postimg.cc/BLc8qQLW
Nonsense! I was tricked. They:
* make the products look like real sausages and cheese
* sell them in the same packages
* label them in large letters as the real thing
* write "vegan" in small letters
* put them next to the real things
It's all done to trick people.
[0] https://wwf.panda.org/discover/our_focus/food_practice/susta...
To be fair, Beyond Meat does have prominent "Plant Based" text on its packaging: https://brand-directions.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/New_...
Firstly, plant-based products are real things.
Secondly, I think a supermarket here in Denmark explained it best: They put the same type of meat-based and plant-based together because that's where customers expect them to be, it's simply easier for the products to be found.
This is well and good but I think the parent comment brings up a good point in that the distinguishing characteristic of the product is being minimized in the packaging - this is deceptive, right? You'd instead think that you'd want the distinguishing element to be boldly labeled, so minimizing it does make it seem at least like comfort with the idea of people mistakenly purchasing the product.
For instance, as someone else noted in this thread, Impossible has clear labeling. [1]
An example of the opposite might be Just Mayo, which is not, in fact, just mayo. In 2015 the FDA sent it a warning letter [2], and it had to adjust its packaging to make it clear that it was a plant-based product, although the name remains.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31941934
[1] https://qz.com/576679/the-fda-decides-that-vegan-just-mayo-i...
I eat a mostly plant based diet and primarily recognize the options by brand so I never really noticed this. E.g., I know that Soy Station brand “cheese” is never real cheese despite anything else the label may say. Ditto something like Field Roast’s various “meats”.
I'm still not sure what "apis" is, but I hesitate to put anything related to bees in my eyes, given that this is a common allergen and I'm allergic to enough things already. One can only hope they dilute it out properly, or it might be worse than useless.
Yeah, not something I want in my eyes.
There's loads of different amounts of meat in sausages. Does it have to have a certain amopunt from an animal to be real?
There's finally a few (e.g, Violife) who have started to get close. Kite Hill's almond ricotta is probably 1:1 for me and I eat it when I find it on sale.
I think if you're after "luxury" cheese (the kind you might enjoy with a bottle of wine) it's harder, but for day to day cheese you throw on a sandwich/tacos/whatever it's passable.
(My two cents, of course - everyone tastes different, and you should eat real cheese if that's what you want)
It's just not the same.
Cheddar though... I'd have to disagree. To each their own though!
For a mozzarella, I recommend Miyoko's https://miyokos.com/collections/vegan-mozz
Reading "How Not to Die" gives pause on the long term health impacts of eating dairy based on evidence from nutrition studies.
That’s not true. American cheese is built on cheese but adds butter and cream and sodium citrate to it as an emulsification. The product is a sort of cheese based product of varying quality of rather poor (common) to essential (any good hamburger).
So maybe it’s not cheese on it’s own, but it is a product of cheese and the core ingredients are (should be!) dairy.
> Typical formulation for Analogue Pizza Cheese, from Fundamentals of Cheese Science:
Ingredient Level added (g/100g Blend)
Casein and caseinates 23.00
Vegetable oil 25.00
startch 2.00
Emulsifying salts 2.00
Flavour 2.00
Flavour enhancer 2.00
Acid regulator 0.40
Color 0.04
Preservative 0.10
Water 38.50
Condensate^ 7.00
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27169697
The list above is for "analogue pizza cheese" but that's just the most common use of this kind of "cheese": as pizza topping.
So, in a way, "vegan cheese" is not the worst kind of thing in the market that's labelled as "cheese" while not even close to the real thing.
Btw, many people who are not vegan or vegetarian eat this stuff and think it's cheese. I mean because it's on pizza. And it kiind of melts, right? What else do you expect to find sort of melting on top of pizza? Cheese!
So, yeah, 100%, you can totally and absolutely fool consumers by emulating the look, taste and feel of a real foodstuff. But usually that's because those consumers are so used to eating fake stuff anyway that they have forgotten what the real thing tastes like... if they ever even tasted it.
The main idea is to take a mild cheddar and tame it further while changing its texture and to make it melt nicely. This is why any other cheese on a hamburger is inferior.
Consumers are not reducing their meat consumption. Instead meat consumption is increasing:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta...
> As a global average, per capita meat consumption has increased approximately 20 kilograms since 1961; the average person consumed around 43 kilograms of meat in 2014. This increase in per capita meat trends means total meat production has been growing at a much faster than the rate of population growth.
As is production:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?ta...
Worldwide.
https://ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/102447/err-300_sum...
Meat consumption in the US in fact growing at an alarming rate: https://sentientmedia.org/meat-consumption-in-the-us
How so?
I think it's a very good idea to not allow product marketing to (ab)use terms to confuse people. If people want to eat meat that's their business. This is like that old trend of putting a "milk" label on almond drink/juice. It's just a straight up incorrect.
Centuries old actually.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nut-milks-are-milk-sa...
Let's take a vegan burger patty for example. What's a better illustration of what is in the packet? "Vegan burger patty" or "Flat concoction of soy and other ingredients". It illustrates use.
I used to do the same a few years back, until the gradual realization came that this is the direction we're clearly heading towards. Now, I personally can't wait until meat is priced at a level that most people simply can't afford their current diet anymore. At least they will have their precious words like sausage and steak to hold onto.
Honestly, to the people suggesting to bring out animal-based products and call them something to explicitly trick vegans into eating them: who hurt you? It can't be the one time you bought a product you didn't know before without reading what it actually is, that turned out to be vegan, can it? Or did you immediately develop a B12-deficiency?
For the sake of living together on this planet, please choose another topic to be a dick about.
It is mostly the same few people who jump on meat threads here to push their views.
Why is Black Bean smaller and the same color as the background compared to Burger?
Why is vegan confined to the top right?
It's obvious looking at the package what they're trying to do.
> SAUCISSE (n) Intestine filled with chopped meats, most commonly pork, seasoned in various ways, which is often eaten hot.
This does seem to fairly definitely exclude vegetarian options.
Despite their efforts, dictionary definitions aren't always in sync with common usage, and it seems obvious that the latter is what we should regulate on.
https://www.edeka.de/ernaehrung/expertenwissen/1000-fragen-1...
> The country adopted a measure banning plant-based products from using the same names as food from dead animals.
Alternatives are "plant-based" while meat is "dead animals"? It's true but a strange choice of words why isn't plant-based "dead vegetables"?
> This has in turn attracted major investment from global agrifood groups hoping to capitalize on a trend towards healthy eating.
Healthy eating? Says who exactly? It's not even an argument in the linked article, the article just says there was a was a move from meat to plant based alternatives nothing about relative "healthiness".
Everyone knows what a vegetarian sausage is, no meat eater is accidentally buying it thinking it is something it's not and it helps people identify what the thing is.
What else are you going to call it? It's the obvious name because that is what it is, the words should evolve to describe the type of thing it is, not that it needs to include meat in it.
Sausage is used to describe the shape, hence sausage dogs.
At most all the law needs to be is to make sure instead of just 'sausage' is used that it has to be 'vegan sausage' or 'vegetarian sausage' if it doesn't have meat, if you must put a law around this.
There is a reason that sausages made from turkey are "turkey sausages" but sausages made from pork are just sausages.
I am in favor of the ban, when dealing with food we should call things what they are. They can call vegan burgers patties, sausage like things rolls or whatever.
People who want to buy them will still know what they are getting.
Also some chains/brands do a very poor job labeling their things so that it’s obviously plant-based. For example at Tim Hortons: Farmers wrap=meat based, Harvest wrap=plant based. Feels intentionally confusing.
the cute names like farmers/harvest will age really badly i feel like… sounds like committee thinking
But your comment reminds me of philosophical question. If a company created a plant based meat analog that cooked, looked, and tasted just like human meat…should someone eat it? I don’t pose this to make fun of vegans or the plant based meat industry. I am actually curious to the mindset behind these meat analogs.
My own answer to that question is I wonder why a vegan would opt for any plant based meat analog. It just seems that the mindset should be as strange as this fictional plant based human meat.
Things look and cook similar to what you’re used to. It helps plan meals better and is less disorienting.
I'm really very surprised at the number of people who seem offended by it. The products are made as substitutes for those specific things, some of them are very good, others not so much.
Bacon, for instance, already does not have to come from a pig. Turkey and beef bacon already exist. Plant-based bacon is just as valid, it's a product which fills that same niche for people who don't want an animal product. "Sausages" are already a very wide and lax term. Vegetarian and vegan sausages have been available in lots of countries for literally decades.
The only reason people are talking about this now is that the products are getting better and more popular, and the meat industry feels under threat. It's a naked land grab from them.
Yes, the difference between these products and meat should be easy to discern, writ large on the packaging. But in most cases it already is - the brands want vegetarians to find them!
It's getting far more popular, and people are scared that they may have to face the fact that their breakfast sausage is in danger.
Hint: not a new phrase.
So what is vegan steak? It's a food that will be something like what someone understands steak to be, comprised of whatever is in the list of ingredients. Try it. Or don't.
If you google "<name of most commercial chicken burger patties> ingredients", you'll see that chicken meat can be less than 60%.
And then people just ignore them, leading to (egregious) regulations to force arbitrary naming restrictions that people will STILL probably ignore because “the picture of the meat on the front looked so good” and yet “I had no idea they were tricking me into buying VEGGIE CHIX’N and it’s not real meat”.
But sure, there is a sweet spot between morons and greed but just because you're a moron doesn't make it okay.
If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
I’m attempting to go vegetarian. Prior to my switch, I used to consume large amounts of meat (partially because I enjoy the taste, and partially because I lift weights often and the protein is easy) but man oh man those plant based alternatives are just nowhere near real meats. So much so that they’re not even worth it: I’d much rather opt for something like tofu or a protein shake because atleast they’re not trying to tell me that they’re meat.
I've never, ever eaten a vegetarian burger patty, steak or Schnitzel that tasted like what I remember. Many still taste good, but I think for things like steak the texture is as important as the taste, and I don't think there is anything that believably emulates the texture of steak.
Things are different for sausage and thin sausage slices that you can put on bread, like salami. Especially the vegetarian salami tastes and feels exactly like I remember, and there is a large selection of vegetarian or vegan sausage replacements. Those are great, though I don't understand why they're more expensive than the actual meat products.
What I really miss though is gyros. No vegan gyros has even come close, and I've tried a lot. Probably again because texture matters just as much as taste. I'll just have to live without it.
Who describes meat like that? Is it a german thing? Weird.
That's the point.
Best example of this I know of is probably the vegetarian hot dogs at ikea. They taste nothing like hot dogs, but boy do they taste great in a hot dog bun with ketchup.
Did you not know that?
There is no confusing them, everyone knows what they are, meat eaters and non meat eaters alike.
It describes the product, not that it contains meat, yes vegan 'meat' would be a bit of a silly description, but vegan burger, vegan sausage, vegan nugget is not for example, that is all that needs to be used and it's clear for everyone, start calling them vegan discs or vegan tubes and it's just strange.
Cargill, Danone and Nestle. Those companies, they are exemplars of environmentally responsible, ethical production of high-quality nutritious food that respects animal rights and human health:
> Cargill: the company feeding the world by helping destroy the planet
https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2020/11/25/cargill-deforest...
> Cost of environmental damage linked to Nestlé, Danone and Mondelez rises sharply
> "A lot of major global corporations have effectively outsourced their environmental impact to their supply chains," said Dexter Galvin, global director of corporations and supply chains at CDP, a nonprofit group that collects environmental data from companies. "It's a blind spot, which means that most of their carbon emissions, water use and impact on deforestation escape public scrutiny."
https://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights...
> Animal rights campaigners are now urging the public to boycott Danone, Nestle and Yakult to stop the animal suffering.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600145/Nestle-Yakult-and-D...
> Multiple reports have documented the widespread use of child labour in cocoa production, as well as slavery and child trafficking, throughout West African plantations, on which Nestlé and other major chocolate companies rely.[159][160][161][162][163] According to the 2010 documentary, The Dark Side of Chocolate, the children working are typically 12 to 15 years old.[164] The Fair Labor Association has criticised Nestlé for not carrying out proper checks.[165]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Slavery_and_child_...
In September 2017, an investigation[215] conducted by NGO Mighty Earth found that a large amount of the cocoa used in chocolate produced by Nestlé and other major chocolate companies was grown illegally in national parks and other protected areas in Ivory Coast and Ghana.[216][217][218] The countries are the world's two largest cocoa producers.[219][220]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Deforestation
I mean, who else would be investing in fake sausages?
At least it's funny in this case.
But folks who are avoiding meat on Fridays and during Lent are different from me.
However, products like Quorn have been popular here since the 80s so perhaps people are used to it by now. Even before the whole vegan movement took off, the terms have been overloaded, for example mince pies, head cheese, milk of magnesia, Welsh rabbit/rarebit, peanut butter, portobello steak, beefsteak tomato, rice burgers, oil-based "butter"...
Be honest. It's an plant-based protein burrito it's not a damned "chik'n burrito" or "sliced cheeze". And don't get me started with the "milks". It's a freaking emulsion oat-grain emulsion, or oat beverage. What's nexy Coca-cola with a white fizzy drink, "cola-milk"?
Thank you France!
To use a concrete example: Impossible Burger is not opposite of burger but 100% designed to be impossible to tell apart from a cow burger.
So it's common sense to also call it a burger.
(However, you can write "hamburger buns" for buns that can be used with "hamburger", even if the bun can also be used with other kind of "burger sandwiches" too.)
Even better, in western Europe, their consumption is linked to the dominant religion.
For example you get beef and pork sausages, this refers to the type of sausage you are getting, what is the difference with vegan sausage? Everyone knows what that is, calling it a different name makes it harder to understand what it actually is and since that is the purpose of language/names in this instance, the correct term should be vegan sausage.
In your example what helps most people understand what it is? If it was labelled "oat-grain emulsion" it sounds like some kinda paint to me where as oat milk is exceptionally clear.
The shape is "link" or "links" so I think synthetic plant-based links is fine. If it's in bulk synthetic plant-based crumble.
Calling the synthetic food the same as a natural food, is more confusing. I don't know what's what.
Make up a new word and run with it. But at least, at least don't play around with things like chik'n sausage or porki sausage. At least be honest and say plant sausage.
Language is a function to allow us to understand things and communicate, it evolves as the world evolves and these words are the best words we have to describe these vegan and veggie products as long as the word 'vegan' or vegetarian is used along with them.
The word 'vegan' or 'vegetarian' in front of the word is a modifier that allows you to understand what it is, how can you not know what a vegan sausage is? You think it's still meat?
A vegan can easily understand what it is and so can a meat eater, calling it anything else just becomes confusing, maybe that is the problem, you are not a veggie or vegan so you don't care if they are confused, but because your too set in your ways to be okay with a modifier that clearly shows what the product is you are upset. Things change and veggie sausage is a term used for many many years, I don't know what is confusing or wrong about it.
Everybody knows what type of food a vegetarian burger is, but what about a veggie disc? it's just confusing, we don't need to invent new words here, we just have to adopt what we already have.