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The RR line on which the collision near Mendon, MO occurred is the furthest thing from "infrequently-used tracks"; these tracks are part of the "BNSF Southern Transcon[tinental]" line[0] between Los Angeles, CA and Chicago, IL, which carries (per previously linked Trains Forum thread: "Posted by tree68 on Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:59 PM") "The FRA/DOT crossing data shows over 50 trains a day..." (wikipedia[0] provides a higher number). And the vast majority of the BNSF Southern Transcon in MO (and elsewhere) is double-tracked, meaning trains can (and usually do) run near full track speed (90 mph in my understanding) without the frequent need to stop for opposing-direction traffic as would be typical on single-track lines.

Also, I don't know if you were applying the term to the road of the crossing involved in this crash, but this road is not one I would characterize as "well used"; more like "exceedingly rarely used" (thus the lack of active crossing protection).

Finally according to the previously referenced Trains Forum thread ("Posted by blue streak 1 on Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:32 AM"), the railroad existed 60-70 years prior to the road in question. I believe it is this circumstance which places the onus on MODOT to defend the users of their later-arriving road from hazards associated with rail traffic on the preexisting BNSF line (with BNSF being an involved party).

I understand citing posts another public forum does not necessarily meet the gold standard of citations, but all of these facts align with my preexisting understanding of the situation.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Transcon calls out Mendon, MO as a station on the Marceline subdivision

I was talking in generalities. As I said in another comment, I'm in a more dense region where level non-gated crossings tend to be branches for factories and the like. So I've seen plenty of roads that are decorated with some train tracks (with a toss up as to whether they're even active), but still carry the nonsensical presumption that every passing vehicle should somehow have to yield to nonexistent trains going at unknown speeds.

The specific busyness of these tracks is all the more reason all crossings should be lighted/gated. And while we're at it, there should be sensors/cameras to check for stuck vehicles and communicate that to the train a few miles away - if a train going at 90mph takes 3 miles to stop, that actually means the gates only need to come down two minutes before the train gets to the crossing. But there's no impetus to proactively address such problems until the incentives are reformed.

> I believe it is this circumstance which places the onus on MODOT to defend the users of their later-arriving road from hazards associated with rail traffic on the preexisting BNSF line

Sure, but understanding the legal justification doesn't change what I said. This is an instance where the common law first-come first-serve system completely fails. See also: water "rights". It would be a different story if the tracks were also a public way and open for use by everyone, but in general private control over the commons should be rejected.

Your solution proposal appears to be:

If BNSF is not already today 100% responsible for installing & maintaining maximal protection equipment at all RR/road crossings that were installed by government over its preexisting tracks,

then BNSF should have all of its property (tracks and right of way (RR track bearing real estate)) converted into "the commons" (i.e. BNSF should be nationalized)

and the owner of "the commons" (government) will then resolve all RR/road crossing safety issues (by RR closure, road closure, or deployment of crossing improvements sufficient to match safety levels attained in the country having the safest RR/road crossings in the world, at its prerogative) all while operating the new national RR (carrying freight and passengers) safely and efficiently to ensure supply line problems attributable to RR causes do not worsen.

Is this accurate?

> then BNSF should have all of its property (tracks and right of way (RR track bearing real estate)) converted into "the commons" (i.e. BNSF should be nationalized)

No, I said nothing of the sort. Many times, homeowners own the land up until the middle of the road in front of their house. But they don't have the right of way when pulling into the road, and must interact with other users of the public way in an equitable manner orthogonal to ownership. I'm advocating something similar for owners of railroad tracks, whereby trains don't automatically get the right of way, but rather track owners are responsible for doing improvements to mediate contention if they want trains to travel through intersections at speed. The default state of an uncontrolled level crossing should result in lack of speed rather than lack of safety.

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