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The next 10 years of software dev will be defined by the arms race of fraud generation (deepfakes, GAN images, GPT-X bots) and detector bots. What will end up happening is the detectors will catch the bottom 99% of fraudulent content, leaving the top 1% free reign over the dataspace.

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And then there's the impact of false positives. You could even get a situation like we have with some CAPTCHAs where the best fakes are "hyperreal" and actually detect as less suspicious than many real images.

I personally like that deepfakes exist. Anything can be real and anything can be a lie. Plausible deniability for all.

Indeed. And it forces everyone to think critically. No pictures, audio or video online are trustworthy by themselves.

Even in science, you can never be completely sure of anything. "Sure enough" for purposes of human life, perhaps.

But you can invalidate anything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Popper

Potentially resulting in even more division and radicalisation. The human tendency is to judge evidence strongly subjected to priors. Does the evidence allow me to keep my beliefs, or does it force me to change them. Evidence of questionable authenticity will be believed if it reinforces the priors, and disbelieved if it contradicts them, thereby increasing the divergence of held beliefs.

If you want to find truth, and you understand the nature of reality and perception, it will make you want to seek out counterexamples to your beliefs.

I am thankful for anyone pointing out inconsistencies between my own statements and reality. It will let me learn more easily, and refine my beliefs.

Yeah, there's a difference though between these aspirations - which I happen to share - and what is a statistically observable human bias that ought to shape our expectations of what's realistically going to happen.

You are right. I apologize for unconsciously trying to divert the conversation.

Indeed, I now realize what you are saying is more people will get more material for their confirmation bias.

Lol, no need for apology here! You have given me no reason to doubt that you are exchanging viewpoints in good faith.

>I am thankful for anyone pointing out inconsistencies between my own statements and reality

You will find there are people that are not appreciative of that and are willing to go as far as ending your life if you go too far in pointing out their faults.

> And it forces everyone to think critically

Overly optimistic.

The usual problem is of course, whether that plausible deniability will result in everyone being given equal benefit of doubt, or if will be (ab)used for selective enforcement.

We're not there yet, unfortunately. There has to be large scale public scandal with unmistakable proof of deepfaking for the public to comprehend the reality we are in.

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