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Google came up with Dart so they could move away from GWT and now use Dart extensively internal to the company. Why would I want to use GWT and not Dart?

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Where exactly is that extensive usage? I am fairly sure Java is more used inside Google on every front than Dart is.

Google engineers use Dart to create many apps, including some that are essential to Google’s business. For example, if you use the Google Ads web or mobile app, you’re using a Dart app that supports much of Google’s revenue. Also, the Assistant team at Google uses Dart for features in Smart Displays, as described in this announcement.

https://dart.dev/community/who-uses-dart

Flutter 1.0 is officially announced on Dec 04, 2018. After that, the demand of dart programmers is gaining popularity now. Because entire flutter app development is completely based on a dart. It seems that tech-giant Google has some big plans with the language. That’s why dart is implemented on two big projects including flutter and fuchsia OS.

https://dev.to/harshuinc/dart-the-language-behind-flutter-an...

The fact that after all these years that page only lists AdWords, is not encouraging.

I too write Dart (not Flutter), but let's not kid ourselves, Dart is not extensively used anywhere, even within Google.

It must sometimes be demoralizing for a respected member of the programming community (Bob Nystrom - munificent) who worked on Dart at Google, most recently adding null safety, for people to constantly sh*t on Dart on Hacker News, especially since it's a really nice language that is going unappreciated

I'm not shitting on Dart if that's what you mean, quite the opposite, I'm just sad that Dart is not getting same amount of push from Google as Go. I'm afraid that one day Dart may end up in already impressive Google Graveyard[0]. I very much prefer Dart to Go but I'm in the minority.

[0] https://killedbygoogle.com/

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you. When Dart came out in 2012 it was a big improvement on JavaScript, but some Google exec said the goal was to replace JavaScript, which was incorrect, so that community has been down on Dart ever since. It's kind of remarkable to me how sticky this Dart hate is even 10 years later. It's unreasonable, and like you, it makes me sad because working with the DOM in Dart is even nicer than jQuery to me.

HN shits on Dart and V extensively... And they are the only two languages I use daily. So even as a user it can be demoralizing!

We really should update that page: looking at git blame, it hasn't been touched for several years :( I'll file an issue.

Dart is used in almost every product group at Google.

- The Ads team continues to grow, with hundreds of SWEs primarily writing Dart code.

- The Google Play Console that lets app publishers market Android apps: all Dart (https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2020/06/introducin...)

- The Google Nest Hub and Hub Max devices: both the UI and a lot of back-end code are written in Dart

- Google Pay: Dart (and Flutter)

- Family Link, Google One, Stadia, Cloud Search: Flutter and Dart

Several other really big apps are being rewritten right now in Flutter. In all, there are thousands of SWEs writing millions of lines of code in Dart at Google.

And outside of Google, of course, there is the likes of BMW (https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T032861...), Sonos (https://tech-blog.sonos.com/posts/renovating-setup-with-flut...) and over 500,000 other Flutter apps that are all Dart-based.

Redmonk, the developer analyst firm, is pretty bullish on Dart: https://redmonk.com/jgovernor/2022/05/16/flutter-propels-dar...

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