Why rails buckle in Britain
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Track used to be separate pieces (seemingly before 1950), but they are now continuous welded rail [1][3]. This was done to allow trains to go faster, and lowers maintenance on the trains. This confused me because trains go "clack clack clack" - I guess that's foley now.
However, it means track is more prone to buckling, since there aren't any expansion joints, like we have on bridges.
Slack is added/removed from the rails by stressing the track during installation [2].
They heat (or mechanically stretch) the track to the length at a chosen "neutral" temperature. Then they install the track. This allows them to calculate the max expansion and contraction the track will see and offset those forces with the sleepers (horizontal forces?) and the ballast (vertical forces?).
The rail can still buckle - this is engineering. If the ballast fails, or the temperatures exceed the maximum allowed for, then it will buckle. It also looks like it must be continually destressed by going along the rail, cutting it and re-welding it? [4]
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_track#Continuous_welde...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_stressing
[3] Thermite track welding: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxsFglz2ig
[4] https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/peter-calder-old-methods-keep-...
Thing is, even aside from passenger comfort, you also get about 5% less friction from CWR, which translates to more fuel efficiency. And 5% might not sound like much, but when most freight cargo goes by train, and distances are in thousands of kilometers, it adds up pretty fast. Ditto for reduced maintenance on the tracks themselves, which is especially handy for those long tracks going through largely empty areas.
Have you got anything to show that?
Never seen or heard of that in NSW, and not heard of any track buckling issues during summer, either.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Buckling-of-a-railway-tr...
It's an interesting problem. It's simple in theory, but may not have a perfect solution.
I found a device that is in use - Verse[1]. It claims to be able to measure the neutral? Although my read says the rail must be below neutral, and therefore under tension, to determine what the neutral is?
They unclip the rail and then lift it with a known force? I guess that lets them measure the tension and lateral forces on the rail?
[1] https://www.pandrol.com/us/product/verse-rail-stress-managem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg9vn50ZOdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbNzhMsUOwA
Railway buckling video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJeiYaSFCf0
Verse PDF: https://railway-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/VERSE-Te...
From an accident report:
> The area surrounding the 67 km point had been subjected to several maintenance activities, including a few days before the derailment. The records showed that a length of rail was installed at about the 67.150 km mark when the rail temperature was about 65°C
> According to BHPB, the stress-free track temperature was 40 °C. This specification was based on midpoint average minimum and maximum temperatures expected for that time of year (summer).
>Why don’t we replace all our rails with ones stressed for higher temperatures?
> <snip> ... there would be the risk of increased tension on the rails in the winter.
Buckles and breaks were most common just after a train had left a section of track. The normal approach was to issue slow orders when the temperature got too high (buckle) or too low (break). So there was a lot of interest in finding more accurate ways to determine when slow orders were necessary and to optimize when to add/remove rail.
AFAIK this problem is still outstanding. The product I worked on years ago never quite succeeded. Railroads are a harsh environment.
It was as recent as the 1980s in Ireland, I remember the sound when travelling by train as a kid.
(right track, above middle of picture) Not only on bridges.
AFAIK this is the way to go with any sort of HSR, "Feste Fahrbahn", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballastless_track or whatever. I remember them even from the early 80ies, asking people about what that is, and why?
Edit: I see your [1] has a similar picture for an "expansion joint", but it looks functionally different, because not "seamless". With the stuff I know there is only expansion outwards, while there is almost no gap on the rail itself.
They still seem to go clack clack on some bits.
> When a track is made up from short rails bolted together, we leave small gaps between each one so that expansion doesn’t cause a problem. [0]
They seem to use both long welded pieces and short gapped pieces, i'm guessing they are just selective where they use each. Anecdotally, trains seem to go slower on the clackedy clack bits...
Speculation: I wonder if gapped sections are more resistant to failure IF they are used at slower speed? i.e long welded sections reduce maintenance at high speed; but gapped sections lack lateral temperature stresses, so IF they are used at a slow enough speed they could have very little stress. If so it's possible they use them on track close to stops, busy junctions, or track which is simply in a difficult area to carry out repairs on... essentially anywhere that track repair work will cause more problems than average and it's worth having slower trains on. Correction welcome.
[0] https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/looking-af...
(Dang, please clarify HN’s position on non-English comments; believe I recall seeing this before, but unable to find guidelines or comment from you. Thanks.)
EDIT: Related comment from Dang on use of non-English submissions:
There's a lot more room for individual expression in comments. If someone's quoting a saying or making a quip that's best expressed in another language, that's fine. If they're consistently posting in a way that most people here can't understand, we'd ask them to stop.
"We paint certain parts of the rail white so they absorb less heat – and expand less. Typically, a rail painted white is 5°C to 10°C cooler than one left unpainted."
Perhaps you could make a device that rides on one rail while painting the other one. Flip it around and do the other side when you’ve done the first pass.
This is why astronauts use a pen. Sometimes the "cheap and simple" way has side effects that are more harmful than the original problem.
- The paper peeled away is a fire hazard
- The oil and wax writing smudges and is a terrible way of writing
- The floating bits of paper from sharpening the pencils was a mess and since they float, got in people's faces.
Generally those are terrible ideas too, especially compared to a $100 for a pen. It's really not that much compared to every other cost.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-n...
Probably that approach to safety was cause for it.
Meanwhile, I notice that all the replies to the UK video are people complaining about the rail system reducing headcount and mocking the idea that this task could be automated.
And among other things changes like not being paid for their commute when doing overtime(which was paid for previously), at the time when petrol has crossed £2/L around the country.
Painting will obviously have to happen at night (double pay), and is risky work (double pay again). Oh, and we can't do more than 3 hour shifts because it involves bending down. And we'll be needing a minimum crew of 8 - 1 painter, 1 safety expert, 1 signalling expert, 1 electrics expert, 1 spotter, 1 paint quality expert, a foreman to lead the team, and a union rep to check everything is done according to the book. Oh, and wherever the work is being done more than 15 minutes from a toilet, we'll need a mobile toilet booked and installed, as well as a break room. If any of those people are missing or late, we'll cancel the work and retry in 3 months.
BART and Muni are both union shops. I don't know if SMART is but it postdates the HSR proposals.
As someone who lived through Muni's transition to SelTrac (the system that underpins DLR and I think some of the Tube lines) I can say the union was not the problem. The technology was unreliable and eventually abandoned by Alcatel/Thales. GoA 4 stuff is only viable along small, low ridership stretches of track. If you knock the level of automation down a peg or two it's a lot easier to scale up to busier/larger systems.
Hah! Typical free market libertarian approach that cuts corners. You can't just go out and start painting stuff matey! What about the viability study? Someone needs to build a model of the processes, and conduct a pilot time and motion study. People won't just accept white rails without consultation. Where's the perception management and transformation campaign to make sure the new white theme is on message and brand aligned for Railtrack? You'll have to add at least 1 lawyer, 1 community liaison officer, 2 PR people, an advertising account executive...
> we'll need a mobile toilet booked and installed
Toilet? Pfff. You can't just go out and stick up a toilet....
We've had many industrial accidents, from Bhopal's disaster to Boeing Max, thousands of people died, and all of them were caused by management meddling where they shouldn't. none of them were caused by unions
What needs to be painted is the sides of the rail, the top - even if painted in the process - will return to lucid metal as soon as the next few trains pass on them.
Usually small trucks (Unimogs adapted to rail use) or small convoys are used, see:
If you live in the south, it's because people think there isn't good roofing materials that can be lighter colors. Those people are wrong.
But, for example, California is requiring light roofs and other mitigating issues, so there is some progress.
BTW if you do decide to paint your roof (or any other external surface) please use TiO2 paint as the UV from the sun will then cause it to break down pollutants like NOx and greenhouse gases like methane.
I also have a 200 year old stone cottage and when it gets hot it stays hot for a very long time (same for being cold).
In practice, it’s generally better to just have a well insulated house in the first place. (Passivhaus being the attainable ideal.)
My experience was mostly old brick buildings in Dublin (old enough to not be cavity wall) and having all the heat they soaked up during the day radiated back at you at night.
I plan to add retractable awnings over the windows that get a lot of sun at some point too; they can make a big difference.
And, of course, trees! Deciduous trees give you shade in the summer and kindly drop their leaves so you have light in the winter. They're amazing!
It makes totals sense. I also suppose that many people who own single-family houses would not do that, mostly because it looks odd. Looking odd is something that makes people uncomfortable.
When you find a way for a light-colored roof to look cool while also not costing an arm and a leg, people will gladly adopt it. This happened to solar panels when they started to look well and also signal wealth and care of the Earth.
This was in a cold climate, albeit at high latitude, so long days and low sun angle in the summer means more insolation. Since we rarely get above 70F here, I didn't think it would make much difference. Of course, it's only noticable a couple months out of the year.
SBB will not rely on tracks painted white because
- it makes it harder to discover cracks in the tracks
- with prolonged use the effect noticeably lessens to due accumulation of dirt
- ÖBB and SBB have measured he effect at ~5°C and that's not significant enough to be worth it.
[0] https://company.sbb.ch/de/medien/dossier-medienschaffende/so...
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03911-8
Here is a YouTuber trying to making such paint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3bJnKmeNJY
Another article:
https://greekreporter.com/2022/05/08/revolutionary-white-pai...
Alternately, I've seen videos in the likes of Chicago where they've literally installed pretty much bunsen burners and set the rails on fire to deal with the winter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76ywZDXyPw
Don’t the majority of trackbeds deform when the ground below them shrinks like a dry sponge? Exceptions may be a railroad bridge built on bedrock?
“England braces for 40C temperatures as experts warn thousands could die“ - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/15/heat-emergen...
[0] https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weat... [1] https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/learn-about/past-uk-wea...
Quite a few schools have decided to use this warning to close as they are unable to manage heat on their premises [1]
[0] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/phe-heatwave-mort...
> Their form of rule is democratic for the most part, and they are very fond of plundering; consequently they choose their boldest men as rulers....They can endure hunger and cold and any kind of hardship; for they plunge into the swamps and exist there for many days with only their heads above water, and in the forests they support themselves upon bark and roots, and for all emergencies they prepare a certain kind of food, the eating of a small portion of which, the size of a bean, prevents them from feeling either hunger or thirst
https://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/br...
It's historical writing so it must be true.
And for those of us in the US who don't know but aren't curious enough to look it up: 104 F
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/heat-blame...
This doesn't make sense, relative to many European countries the UK has much milder summers and winters.
> Some countries regularly have extremes in temperature that affect their railway. They may adjust their rails between summer and winter, or have other measures in place to manage the effects over the long term.
Which, when paraphrased, says: "Other countries may or may not do something else".
(Which, when paraphrased, says the PR person had no effing clue.)
I have no idea whether any of that is true (I doubt it), but it was interesting to write out.
This is something that media talking heads harp on about, leaves don't break the line they cause wheels to slip. It's like criticising road traffic for not handling oil spills
- Start adjusting the tension on tracks starting in March when it gets warmer
- Use more expensive concrete sleepers where high forces appear (as TFA mentions)
- Cool exceptionally problematic parts of the track with water from tank cars
So in summary:
- spend money
- spend money
- spend money
That could explain why Network Rail isn't keen on doing any of that.
[0] https://company.sbb.ch/de/medien/dossier-medienschaffende/so...
Like that time in 2016 when a Swiss town paid a 290k CHF fine rather than house Syrian refugees [0]!
[0] https://lenews.ch/2016/06/16/swiss-town-pays-instead-of-taki...
So yes, society did solve this problem by electing officials who put those clauses into the railway's operating license - but there are a lot of steps in there that shouldn't be overlooked.
And of course this also implies adjusting the tension on the tracks starting in October or so, too!
https://www.vouchercloud.com/resources/train-prices-across-e...
It's ace!
https://www.ejrcf.or.jp/jrtr/jrtr15/f38_tec.html
I found the above, but it doesn't say that much about buckling. I don't think they use slab tracks however.
If buckling is the lateral movement of the track due to thermal expansion, I would imagine the old wooden sleepers would be much easier to pull sideways. Looking at the above link about slab tracks, they look far more secure and less likely to move sideways.
https://railroadrails.com/information/what-is-railway-ballas...
(basically tracks over concrete road over thick asphalt like road)
This is question of economics, not question of ability.
This is all about overnight access and about the cost of the work involved.
Some extreme passenger services: 0132 London Kings Cross to Peterborough (0315), plus what is likely the return working 0324 Peterborough to London Kings Cross (0451).
But also as already mentioned, there's plenty of non-passenger services too.
1: (for illustrations) https://costep-webteam.hatenadiary.jp/entry/20061023/p1
2: (for illustrations) http://tarouroom.blog89.fc2.com/blog-entry-968.html
https://broadwayextensionblog.blogspot.com/2017/03/stressing...
> Its laid it's in tension by hydraulically stretching it before cutting to length and welding to the previous length. Sufficient tension is applied to achieve a 'Stress Free Temperature' (SFT) of 27 degrees C (i.e to relieve the tension by expansion the rail would need to be heated by the sun to 27C, whereupon it would neither be in tension or compression).
Apparently they lay it "hot" and so normally when it is cooler than that it is actually "pulling" on itself trying to shrink, and when it gets hotter than that it begins to compress.
If it can't compress it buckles, if it can't shrink then the tension grows, but steel has incredible tensile strength.
It also explains some of the maintenance procedures.
The parent link says “Railroads deal with thermal expansion by heating the rail prior to installation”.
reddit/etmidust wrote “I was a manager of track maintenance for a US railroad for a while. When they lay new rail, part of the process is a ‘heater car’[1]. This machine rides the rail and is basically a multi headed blow torch to heat the new rail to the ‘rail neutral temperature’(SFT). At this point the rail is not yet spiked down to the ties so that it has a chance to grow and expand. After the heater car some other rail cars called spikers follow to spike the new rail down. That is how they ‘pre-stress’ the rail. I am skipping some steps, but that is the gist of it.”
It is worth pointing out that jointed rather than welded track WILL NOT solve the buckling problem.
In fact, jointed track is at a MUCH HIGHER risk of buckling in heat than welded rails as gaps close and there are 160+ joints PER MILE to maintain...
...plus jointed track is generally lighter, weaker and thus at higher risk of buckling (most GB buckles are in jointed, not welded track).
Bolted joints also have a nasty habit of disintegrating under traffic and derailing trains (hence use of welded track to start with)
Nevertheless, when I was young I traveled frequently by train. During some decades, I have never seen problems caused to the train traffic by too high temperatures, on traditional jointed rails.
On the other hand, in the last few years, whenever I happened to travel by train through Germany on continuously-welded rails and the weather was hot, there were train delays due to the rails.
So it seems that there is some disconnection between theory and practice. Maybe the new continuously-welded rails have been designed based on ancient recorded temperature ranges that are no longer valid due to climate changes, as already suggested in the parent article, but in any case something is wrong with the design of modern rails.
In the parent article it is mentioned that changing the stress-free temperature to a higher value is not good enough, because the strength of the rails could be exceeded during cold winters. So it is likely that the rails would have to also be thicker, increasing their cost.
Why? Don't the gaps give the track some amount of play which would lower the pressure and therefore the risk of buckling?
The rails have not a real freedom to slide, they have two different forms of resistance, the one provided by the ties and the one provided by the junction, there is only a given temperature range where they can slide.
The rail goes into a cycle, you need some 3-4 C° to win the resistance of the joint (in this part the rail is compressed by some 6000 kg of resistance) and some 6-7 degrees more to win the resistance of the ties (some 10-12000 kg more of compression), then it becomes "free sliding" until the gap in the joint closes, this needs 12-13 C° more and the rail is again compressed by the ends.
When the temperatures lowers, the same cycle is reversed, the rail first contracts until the gap starts to appear and widens, then you have again a range where it is free sliding, then the two resistances come into play again, when the temperature lowers further the excursion is limited by the joints (usually they allow 14 mm travel) and the rail is subject to traction (as opposed to compression).
The only point that never moves is the tie at the center of the rail length, you have to imagine a spring that you try to expand by pulling the two sides, it will return to its original shape, all forces are relative to the center, so there is not any reason why the rail should not come back to its original position.
Check this:
https://pwayblog.com/2017/03/06/jointed-track-response-to-ra...
In practice - strangely enough - rails behave very similar to the theory.
As mentioned at this link, the continuously-welded rails are made to be stress free at a specified temperature, for example 27 degrees Celsius in UK.
At lower temperatures the rails contract, which does not have bad consequences unless the temperature becomes so low that the rails will crack, because their strength has been exceeded by the contraction stress. At very low temperatures the trains may need to reduce their speed, so that the rails will not crack due to the additional stresses caused by a passing train.
At higher temperatures, the rails dilate, and when the temperature is high enough they will buckle. Due to that, the trains may need to reduce the speed, or even stop and wait for the rails to become colder.
At least a part of the rails from Germany have also been updated with continuously-welded rails.
In one of my trips, it was a hot summer day and because of the rail buckling all the trains had huge delays. Even if I should have arrived at the Frankfurt airport about 3 hours before my flight, due to the train delays caused by the hot weather, I have arrived so late that I have lost the flight.
I noticed the white sprayed tracks in Italy recently. It didn't prevent the network becoming congested due to speed restrictions imposed as temperatures exceeded 105F.
not a climatologist (just an interested physicist) but (some of) these heatwaves overshoot models predictions by a fair margin.
can't wait for the fresh papers quantifying that this autumn. it's gonna be bleak.
Roads (especially near bridges) have expansion joints so that the sections can expand and contract in hotter/colder weather. It looks like slab tracks just have more support and try to fight expansion. This will increase the load required to buckle the tracks, but it will put the entire system (slabs, rails) under more stress.
In other industries this can really affect the entire design of mechanisms. Motor mounts in cars look to allow thermal expansion between the hot engine components and the chassis without letting the whole thing shake apart by being too loose. You can make designs such that they are very close to being statically determinate, meaning there is only one restraint for each of the 6 degrees of freedom, so relative thermal expansion doesn't stress and fatigue adjacent structures. However, that means that adding redundancy in case a single support failure can be quite tricky...
One area where thermal expansion is very challenging is fasteners. I've seen some machines where the joint had to be different materials than the fasteners, and it had to survive a wide temperature range, so the torque on the fastener, including testing it and calibrating the tools, became extremely critical.
in the US we use a vision system on a special rail repair engine that checks for issues, but common controls are lowering speed and some days just not using certain tracks
The GPS-triangulated sun kink data can then be used to dispatch repair teams to the appropriate location preventing derailments in the process.
This has been studied academically and commercially in the US for a few years, at least. I'm not aware of a commercial deployment, but it may be in progress given the published R&D.
For instance:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.01286.pdf
From the paper: "Sun kink classifier could classify professionally simulated sun kink videos with a precision of 97.5%."
That paper seems to be notable because it’s doing it from vision alone (and no LIDAR), whereas similar things (including gauging generally) have been used commercially for a while; see eg http://www.rail-vision.co.uk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_radiation#Surface_effe...
"modern"? or "mounted"?
Unfortunately, ‘modern’ is a pretty meaningless word and tells us nothing as to the why of this.
This have the trains a rythmic kadunk sound that's even been popularized in songs :) It also worked quite well as far as I know but I suppose it caused more wear and tear on the rolling stock.
Not sure if this is still done there though.
It's not[1], and there is risk of track buckles in the Netherlands as well. ProRail does extra monitoring during heatwaves[2]. I don't remember ever hearing news about this being a notable problem, but it probably does happen.
[1]: https://www.prorail.nl/veelgestelde-vragen/hoe-vangt-prorail... [2]: https://www.prorail.nl/nieuws/maatregelen-tegen-de-hitte
I don't remember that in the 80s/90s there were such concerns and I had family working on railway maintenance. The climate problem wasn't as big back then but we had some scorching summers too.
Instead the autumn was the all hands on deck period with leaves on the tracks and later in the autumn snow freezing the switches.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckling
The interesting thing here is that when something buckles, it's not the material failing like when you crush a cake. It can buckle well before you reach the force needed to break the steel under compression.
Check Google images for some more extreme examples.
Global warming leaves some cities (like mine) with an enormous inventory of roads that are failing when temps reach the (new) top end
I thought inland European countries have it way worse.
Quicker than I imagined
As the article says, there basically isn't the money or will to fix the problem, so they're leaving it as is.
They don’t stress them to higher temps because (they say) it will cause fractures/stress at winter temps