How do you figure? I got chickenpox in the 90s.
How do you figure? I got chickenpox in the 90s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_zoster_virus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Cause
Similar symptoms, substantially different family trees.
So are monkeypox and smallpox, right? Related, but different diseases.
So are this year's strain of influenza, and the Spanish Flu. Related, but different diseases. Should extant monkeypox cause more alarm than extant influenza?
Nothing is a priori worthy of more or less alarm. Public health officials raise a degree of alarm based on the best epidemiological, medical, and demographic information available to them.
Smallpox is concerning, monkeypox as it is today isn't very concerning. If I understand the comments in this thread, the great concern is that monkeypox could become something quite deadly like smallpox was.
Is that risk substantially greater than the risk of a new influenza that rips through the population like the Spanish Flu once did?
If a deadly influenza strain is in our future, we're decently prepared.
On the other hand, we haven't manufactured or administered human pox vaccinations at scale in... 50 years?
The only experience we have with poxes in humans is smallpox and monkeypox. Smallpox was not a good time. Past monkeypox outbreaks have killed 5%. This one is behaving very differently, but we don't know if it's going to revert to killing people! It has in the past, like every outbreak, so it's a rational worry.
These diseases are caused by single celled organisms which keep spawning clones rather than having sex among a population. So the point you call a different COVID or influenza strain a different disease is effectively arbitrary unlike with sexual species where you can draw the line when they can’t breed with each other.
How many people are dropping dead from it? It doesn't seem like an arbitrary distinction to me.
Variola minor is a strain of smallpox with fatality rates under 1%, while some strains of monkey pox are believed to kill 10% of the infected.
In the end where exactly we draw the line within https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthopoxvirus is arbitrary, but not without justification.
All differences between two things is always arbitrary. This is something I wish more people understood. Two different things are never the same thing. You can come up with similarities based on arbitrary criteria, and that's all.
For example, what we consider make two different person a woman is arbitrary criteria that we just all agree on, or debate forever.
> How many people are dropping dead from it? It doesn't seem like an arbitrary distinction to me
You want to engage in that "forever debate of semantics", but I don't think that's your point.
Currently, it's agreed on taxonomy that chickenpox is not on the same family as monkeypox and smallpox. That's just agreed upon arbitrary categories.
Now the arbitrary doesn't mean useless. Often categories are chosen based on some practical aspect. For example it helps to group them if they have a similar behavior in some way that is often helpful to group in the default case.
An example of this is how in culinary science, a Tomato is made a Vegetable, because it's more useful to club vegetables around their flavor profile. You most of the time don't want to use a Tomato for a recipe that calls for fruits. But in botanical science, flavor isn't useful, it's more useful to think in terms of what contain seeds, thus a Tomato is made a fruit.
Each science uses their own arbitrary classification based on what is more practically useful for their line of research.
Ok, so I think your point isn't to try and tell virologists that their chosen taxonomy isn't as optimal for their line of research. But that in the case of public policy and messaging, virulence might be more important.
Even though both virus are of the same family, there is still a major difference in their virulence. And maybe that property holds more weight in this case.
I think that's a great point, but that you were arguing wrong by attacking the definition instead of bringing up the characteristic of importance and explaining why.
Now this is as much as I know of virology, so I can't say if there are good reasons to be worried about the chances of virulence changing because they are in the same family or not. But I'd say you're right, virulence is what the public cares about, and it be nicer for virologist to explain the chances of the virulence getting worse through some mutations and if they think it's high, why, or if they think it's low, why.
The herpes lineage is no joke, especially given recent evidence for long-term effects, but Orthopoxviruses has some nasty members (for humans and other economically-important species).
And when I say "nasty Orthopoxviruses," I mean ~25% case fatality rate in the affected species, with an increased fatality rate in infants. So... pretty horrible stuff. :(
These numbers seem squishy (keep an eye on the situational caveats they note for a specific row), but lists relative CFRs for different diseases. Chickenpox probably isn't going to kill you, unless you're a pregnant mother who acquires it in a specific window: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_disease_case_fat...
I think chickenpox spread before smallpox in any case?