Case in point: I was just trying to find some information about TGV rail routes. Standard Google searched yielded nothing but spam. Appending “Reddit” game me posts more than 5 years old with out of date information.
Case in point: I was just trying to find some information about TGV rail routes. Standard Google searched yielded nothing but spam. Appending “Reddit” game me posts more than 5 years old with out of date information.
It feels as if internet is sharded just like MMORPG servers. Nowadays there are more humans than ever with access to internet but organic creations are getting harder to find and everything is swamped with SEO spam.
I still can’t exactly point my finger on what’s wrong.
https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-...
The constant moving of communities is also a problem. We dropped irc, join us on slack. Crickets.. er we moved to discord. Each move must impact engagement negatively.
geocities and all those little sites are gone, and what replaced them are a sequence of less-googlable less-preservable things like myspace pages, facebook pages and groups, blogspot/blogger pages, and now discord servers and youtube channels.
There isn't a good platform for individuals and small communities that aren't profitable businesses to host their resources and documents and communications. There are only companies trying to capitalize on people's desire for it, providing something that only purports to provide that platform but really doesn't.
In some ways, there is nothing stopping people from making niche topic sites, but something seems to have changed that makes it just less likely. Maybe there used to be free tiers (was tripod and geocities free?) and now there is only cheap ($5 for a vps), or maybe it's that now you have to do more work yourself setting up a vps vs a premade site host, and the current equivalents of free and fully managed are discord & facebook?
Something is definitely different and somehow the aggregate result is a lot less of the old plethora of niche topic sites. Maybe just that everyone got jobs and has no time to make those sites any more, and now all we have are developers personal blog sites which are really just promo for themselves not really of any value to you or me.
Maybe also the passing of the innocent initial window of time where an individual or small group could run a phpBB on the public net without it getting hacked or overrun by spam or sued or in legal trouble for the member-written content etc, without an income stream to pay moderators and lawyers.
Probably it's a combination of those and even more other factors I'm not thinking of.
now you got my attention?
That said, in the comments here I see a lot of people doing great systemic analysis of the problems of the current internet, which nonetheless (as a Marxist in the real sense of the word) fails to probe deep enough to identify the fact that the internet with these problems is the internet dominated by sites with a profit motive first and foremost.
I got here in the early 90s and hung out on irc and usenet, and I watched the internet become how it is. Way I see it, we had a set of community rules that worked fine as long as we were all people enjoying our spare time here. Once people came wanting to make money, things started going bad and they've only gotten worse and worse. We always had shitty trolls, but now you can actually get rich by being a shitty troll, and that is a much worse situation.
But I think change is coming nonetheless at this point - back in the 90s there was still a lot of middle class affluence here in North America, and GenX was either doing well, or else believing the hard work mythology, the "hustle culture" thing, such that along with the collapse of communism (which was never my jam, though I have tankies in my family) the 90s and aughts were basically Capitalism's victory laps.
But these days American streets are not safe, my own quiet Canadian prairie hometown has shantytowns that spring up all over the place and get cleared out by the cops only to reappear down the street. We call stabbings "The Winnipeg Handshake" now. I grew up there, it was not like this even twenty years ago, let alone when I was a kid and rode my bike all over town, even through the bad neighbourhoods, and rarely got hassled by anyone.
Basically they've got this unsustainable economic system that requires constant steroid shots to keep going on the one hand, which they are simultaneously claiming to be the strongest and best system we can have, and you know how it goes with steroids - at first you get big and strong, but pretty soon you're randomly breaking things in public fits of rage, and eventually your heart explodes and you die.
Capitalism is in its "public fits of rage" stage of its abuse, and the surveillance capitalism internet is reflecting the weakness in that their endlessly gameable algorithms have snuffed out the old internet and simultaneously been seized by bad actors, which is also a good description of politics around these parts (we have fascists up here too, it's not as bad as it is for Americans but we've got our Trump wannabe taking over the Conservative party as I type this).
My remedies would be socialist in nature, and seem like complete nonstarters to me in the current sociopolitical environment: The Internet was conceived by governments, military and universities as a public good. My first Internet access was through my local university, not as a student, just as a public yahoo using their (not actually) paid service - in theory I owe them $1/hr for thousands and thousands of hours, but they never attempted to collect a single one of them, from me or anyone else. The old internet was not about money, and money coming to the internet is what has caused the near-complete societal collapse we are currently facing in just a few years, because the internet is indeed an amazing way to connect lots of people together and democratize things.
So, kick the capitalists off the Internet, I say. Nationalize the fibre system and bring it to everyone free of charge, it's just a bunch of wires and switches in the final analysis. Hire public service workers who do things like build and moderate a site that does the same (good) purposes of facebook (Mastadon, for instance - we already have the solutions available, we just need server capacity and code maintenance)... but with no algorithmic manipulation of users' feeds. Show them what they subscribe to in chronological order. Privacy vis-a-vis government is not an issue when you're talking about public posts, as I see it. Social media is what you do for everyone, government included, to see.
At this point, I've probably lost most of the forum. Pay for free internet with my taxes? I mean, we're paying to drone attack weddings right now, is cheap, free internet really so obscene in comparison to the US military budget?
I'm also not saying that removing the algorithmic leeches from our social media lives is going to solve everything, but it will certainly prevent another Cambridge Analytica. I have no idea how big a problem bots are currently, but I'm positive they're gonna be a much bigger problem in years to come, with Machine Learning well in play. As long as people with profits to worry about are deciding what happens on the internet, we're screwed, man.
The internet, like medicine, needs the profit motive completely outlawed. That's the bit that I'm pretty sure is a non-seller to a lot of the folks around here. But that's ok, like I said, I'm here as one part of my attempt to not live in an echo chamber. Mostly I just try to read and soak up what gets said, because I am aware of my bias. But I do love the internet, and even before the internet I was a BBS kid, I have used modems to socialize basically my entire life, and this place is just no fun at all, anymore.
I just get grumpy sometimes, I guess, when I watch people get 99% of the way there, but won't take the name of Capital in vain. Profit must not be interfered with. This is the Ferengi timeline.
Cheers if you made it this far. :>
Someone posted a timeline above in years, amusingly it lines up quite well with this hypothesis: https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/dead-internet-...
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