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>> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock

Pick one. You can’t have both. :P

btw I am a huge fan of both Korn (they are the best-sounding act I have ever heard live, Daft Punk included) - and the psychedelic rock that is far more appropriate for such a festival, like MGMT, the Flaming Lips, Zeppelin, etc.

I’m just saying even though they were popular ‘rock’ acts at the time, I’d argue actually that these bands fall closer to the ‘metal’ and ‘nu-metal’ genres.

Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did.

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> >> Korn >> Hippies/Woodstock. Pick one. You can’t have both. :P

Exactly.

> Regardless, Fred Durst literally told people to destroy shit, and they did.

As one of the biggest rock bands in the world at the time should do. That's the point of a rock concert (especially a hard rock/metal show). Some level of chaos/destruction should be expected.

I don't really understand where this notion that everything needs to be bubble-wrapped came from (that's partially a lie, as it clearly comes from culture getting too obsessed with safety combined with the loss of nuance). A few years back I was in the mosh pit at a Nine Inch Nails show and bumped into a girl (during this song [1]) who was standing right in the front at the middle. She gave me a dirty look and all I could think to shout was "you're in the front row at a f*cking Nine Inch Nails concert."

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkBmJGGwdA

You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks? I love rock concerts, but I'll find somewhere relatively calm to watch from. I paid money to watch and listen to a band play, not to act like a maniac. A small percentage of the crowd actually wants to participate in a mosh pit, everyone else has to deal with it because "it's a rock show dude!"

> You're right that chaos is the status quo, but have we stopped to consider that maybe it sucks?

No. That's what the back and the balcony (or your couch) are for.

I actually take offense to this position because it's so counter-intuitive to the spirit of the music. It's a METAL show not a Steely Dan performance. If you can't handle that, stay home.

Weird for you to gatekeep the metal genre, when in the Netflix docuseries for Woodstock 99 even the lead singer of Korn talks about how everyone should be able to enjoy a show without being assaulted

People were getting trampled after falling down in the mosh pit, and there were several reports of gang rapes happening amidst the chaos. It's not really justifiable behaviour

I'm not gatekeeping anything. I'm saying that you should consider the context/situation where you're at and not bring in your loaded expectations (i.e., gatekeeping in reverse) to force others into behaving how you please.

You wouldn't go to Sea World and expect to not get splashed.

I agree, I was into hardcore shows when I was a teenager. Hardcore shows are more violent in my opinion. My hands would get bruised up from hitting other people but no one gives a damn because everyone is aware that this is a hardcore show, not an Abba concert.

I promise you people do care. Just maybe if you’re the one hitting people you’re not being very considerate of their feelings and the concert experience.

It is not like I’m hitting their heads, but it is mostly our arms get caught up like a windmill or backstroke. Stage dives are brutal too but that’s just the hardcore scene.

Bingo. Me and a buddy went to a Dillinger Escape Plan [1] show and he walked out with a giant gash above his eye (affectionally nicknamed "The Dillinger") and a smile on his face.

[1] Not this one, but same energy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-lxwlgyhhA

Calculating Infinity is a game changer. I remember hearing it the first time, it’s just nuts and I loved it. 43% burnt will always be in my top hardcore playlists.

When I was 15 I went to see The Damned at Oxford Apollo, it was a good natured gig with a lively mosh pit, but as soon as they played Smash it Up the place went insane and a few rows of seats were ripped up. There was also a small riot outside when we came out as bored kids from a local estate had come into town to fight everyone leaving the gig. Spent half the night in a cell.

The fact that John Scher and the likes hired the most trending acts at the time just adds to the greed of the whole situation.

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