Like, were Americans killed by Jewish bullets in WW2 because it was Jews in the Nazi factories?
Not land - countries. Differently from, say, British colonialism, you can’t claim with a straight face that Russia brought with it the technology or culture. In fact it was pretty much the opposite.
>Plus, was it "Ukranian" or was it built by Russians with Russian money on the order of Russians in Ukraine?
It was Ukrainian, that’s the point: the brains part came from Ukraine, not Russia.
The brains that developed it worked in Moscow in the 80s[0].
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurs_(docking_navigation_syste...
Russia has almost completely replaced obsolete Soviet electronics of both Soyuz spacecraft and Soyuz rocket with modern tech.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz2-1a.html http://www.russianspaceweb.com/soyuz-ms.html
"their hypersonics (which are just a plane-launched ballistic missiles)"
You are confusing Zircon [2] with Kinzhal [1].
[0] https://www.space.com/soyuz-makes-fastest-space-station-crew...
As for confusing - nope, both “hypersonics” are hypersonic by name only. We could see their fantastic performance on that barn.
Yes, most (all?) land belongs to countries. You're being weirdly pedantic. But then, once it's annexed, it's just part of the USSR. Remember how we don't say "the Ukraine" anymore? The reason why we _used_ to say that is because it _used_ to be accurate because there wasn't a country, it was a region of the USSR.
> you can’t claim with a straight face that Russia brought with it the technology or culture
That's not really the claim I'm making. The claim I'm making is that the USSR space program being called a "Russian" space program isn't really egregious (and, I think, colloquially true). The technology that space program developed is appropriately called Russian, even if each individual working on it isn't Russian, even if every component wasn't made by Russia. The program is a Russian effort and the result was a Russian rocket.
> the brains part came from Ukraine, not Russia
NASA doesn't only employ natural born Americans. The guy who developed the Russian guidance system was Ukrainian. It's still Russian.
But countries are more than land. It's not that Ukrainian land was part of USSR - the Ukrainian nation was part of USSR. Same with Russian nation.
>The program is a Russian effort and the result was a Russian rocket.
No, that's the point: the program was Soviet, and the result was a Soviet rocket. Russia was just one part of that. And if you look at the last two decades, you'll see what while Ukraine was able to build a functioning country, Russia failed to achieve anything apart from selling out what's left by USSR and oil/gas extraction using foreign-bought technologies.
Russia has built new types of aircraft, new rocket, new nuclear icebreakers and power stations, its own internet search engine that can stand up to Google, and what not.
Stop learning about the world through BBC.
This would be a valid argument six months ago. Now we know those "new types of aircraft" were vaporware, and missiles work really fine only if you can claim that a random barn is a valid military target. Some of the things that did materialize - like the new military telecom system - turned out to be rebranded Chinese products.
>new nuclear icebreakers
Which were co-developed with Ukraine. Btw, do you know Russia's only aircraft carrier was literally stolen from Ukraine?
>its own internet search engine
This one is actually true, but on the other hand Ukraine had wider success with Whatsapp.
"His father, Pavel Yakovlevich Korolev, was born in Mogilev to a Russian soldier and a Belarusian mother. His mother, Maria Nikolaevna Koroleva (Moskalenko/Bulanina), was a daughter of a wealthy merchant from the city of Nezhin (now Nizhyn, Ukraine), with Ukrainian, Greek and Polish heritage."
There is something very indecent in talking about nationality or ethnicity of great people as if it really matters. Please stop it, okay?
You do realize that this thread started with you misappropriating Soviet achievements to Russia?
And there is nothing about people, nationality or ethnicity in my comment, just the name of country which built and launched the rocket.
Also, can’t help but notice it’s neither modern (when you compare with eg SpaceX) or very successful.
The BBC journalists uttered neither 'Russian' nor 'Soviet', and arguing that a rocket made in Russia 25 years after the fall of the Soviet Union cannot be called 'Russian rocket' is just silly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100#Russified_...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkut_MC-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angara_(rocket_family)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_22220_icebreaker
"Which were co-developed with Ukraine."
Of course they weren't.
"Ukraine had wider success with Whatsapp"
WhatsApp was created by two American programmers, one of whom is Jewish and was born in the Ukraine. If you insists that WhatsApp is Ukrainian software, please count Google as Russian, because Sergei Brin is of Russian origin.