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I don’t think American prison labor qualifies as “jobs” since it doesn’t even pay close to minimum wage, which is a ridiculously low bar to begin with.

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Does that mean China is actually better then the US in this circumstance?

> better

Do you mean to ask who pays their prisoners more for their labor?

Yes, in the US prison slavery is legal and practiced

What is the fundamental different between incarceration and penal labor? How can you be so strongly against the latter and not the former?

I would happy to see the abolition of penal labor, but the widespread attempt to cast it as “slavery” feels hyperbolic - especially in comparison to the reality of chattel slavery.

They are literally forced to do unpaid labor. There are also prison jobs that do pay, but extremely low amounts and those are generally optional. Prisons do also offer volunteer work, it being voluntary makes it not slavery.

Incarceration on the other hand is a different topic altogether and I think the US system is incredibly harmful and creates an environment that produces recidivism. The Nordic system of rehabilitation is far better.

There is actually a pretty good subplot about this in Gone With The Wind. It’s slavery.

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