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Pregnancy-Related Mortality Impact of a Total Abortion Ban in the US

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I'm on my phone so I couldn't really easily read the PDF, but is any state actually trying to get a "total abortion ban"? Seems kind of weird to be looking into something that isn't happening.

That's a disingenuous take if I've ever seen one. The same people who have been pushing for overturning Roe have stated their next target is a federal ban. Acting like there isn't a concerted effort to do so by people in positions of power, is just burying your head in the sand.

Sure. There are also people that want to make abortion legal all the way up to delivery. There are people that want to completely ban guns. There are people that want to throw our borders completely open and those that want to completely close them. There are political advocates for basically every extreme there is.

Most of the time extremes are unpalatable to voters so we end up somewhere in the middle while the politicians make big talk to rile up their base.

>There are also people that want to make abortion legal all the way up to delivery.

Genuinely curious, because I've never understood this part. What does a "just before delivery" abortion entail? Do they do a C-section and give the baby a lethal injection or what?

They deliver the baby halfway through the cervix and then crush its head.

They will sometimes lethally inject the baby, but other times will not. I think injection is required in the US. If they do not inject the baby first it is considered a partial birth abortion.

Typically, they will flip the baby around and pull out everything except the head. They will cut open the neck/head area and suction all the brain material so they can crush the head and more easily extract it.

They typically (always?) have to dilate the cervix. I don't think they will do it through c section unless there is a medical reason.

Their entire argument is that the federal government has no business mandating whether abortions should be legal or not and that it should be left up to the states. You think that the very same people making this argument are then going to have the government mandate abortion be illegal?

A federal ban has nothing to do with totality. Any federal ban will include an exception for medical reasons and may include a rape exception as well. That is hardly a "total" ban.

As far as I know no country has a total ban and there isn't any significant effort in any country to introduce one. Maybe you could provide an example where there is a total ban?

I can only speak for the state I live in - Wisconsin.

Abortions are flat out illegal and there is no exception for rape, incest, or the life of the mother.

Huh?

> Is abortion legal in Wisconsin? Yes.

> Yes. Abortion is legal in Wisconsin. However, Wisconsin bans abortion after 21 weeks, 6 days of pregnancy and has some other restrictions on abortion access.

> Exceptions that may allow you to get an abortion in Wisconsin after 21 weeks, 6 days of pregnancy:

> To save the pregnant person's life

> To prevent serious risk to the pregnant person's physical health

https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state/abor...

Please don't make stuff up. You can read the law here: https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/940/i/04

Here is the important part:

This section does not apply to a therapeutic abortion which: (a) Is performed by a physician; and (b) Is necessary, or is advised by 2 other physicians as necessary, to save the life of the mother; and (c) Unless an emergency prevents, is performed in a licensed maternity hospital.

It's extraordinary how much hysteria the overturning of Roe vs. Wade has created. Despite the new federal decision not in any way being a ban on abortions (the federal government has made many efforts to stress this part by the way), despite it being grounded in pretty decent constitutional reasoning about states' rights, and despite the fact that abortion rights are legal and heavily supported by voters in most U.S states, there are people painting the picture as if it meant a near immediate return to some early 20th century notion of reproductive rights.

You yourself: flatly stating a lie (or if we're being generous a grossly lazy mistaken statement) about things in your state despite the contrary being completely and very easily verifiable in just seconds. This seems to be an exaggerated attitude shared by quite a few internet commentators on this issue, to an emotionally irrational degree. It's absurd, and I say this as someone who fully supports abortion rights in the widest ethically defined sense of the idea.

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