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Your phone and your car have no reason , absolutely no reason to be connected to one amnother

You can just do a one time log in on all your accounts via the car OS and stay logged in on your phone at the same time.

The rest of the world doesnt have this dependency because they dont communicate via calls and iMessage but via Whatsapp/wechat calls and whatsapp/wechat texts

If anything the high reliance on a tyrannical ecosystem such as Apple underlines the high sensitivity of the public toward corporate cults and the power of advertising over masses. Ridiculing people who have android phones because of the “green text” is a national pastime which has by and large surpassed baseball

which in fairness was already evident in the era of Windows complete dominance over the desktop OS market …but at least the Microsoft ecosystem is free of charge (if you know where to look for it) given that from the early days the philosophy at Redmond is to turn a blind eye on piracy.

CarPlay navigation displayed on the large, easy-to-see, and easy-to-touch screen in the car is hugely better (and IMO safer) than any OEM Nav system, which are IME universally between utter garbage and merely outdated.

Again, its carplay or googlemaps or bingmaps, but there is no reason to connect the phone.

Google , Microsoft , Meta… they are software companies, thats what they do. If VW or Stellantis comes to them asking to do their satnav app they wont refuse.

Its easy to list all the bad UI but remember that BMW pioneered the central console wheel back in 2005. Car OEMs generally know better given that they build the actual car , especially the interior

When car OEMs try to copy phones you have disasters such as touchscreens and absence of physical buttons which is a trend that the maniacs over at tesla started and needs to be rolled back ASAP because it is dangerous and bad design

How is CarPlay not connecting the phone to the car? I’m not following what you’re suggesting here.

if you need a map that doesnt suck VW can pay apple or msft or google to build an app for their own proprietary car OS.

Kinda like Excel for Mac.

So, today, I should connect my phone to my car?

No no no no.

I mean yes, of course, put CarPlay/Android Auto into the Porsches. But the rest of it - no way. EVs have already passed the ICE in terms of performance and speed.

Cars like the 911, Mustang, Miata, etc need to be about the driving experience, the sound, the feel. They need to return to their roots. Ford was right to keep the manual transmission + V8 in the next-gen Mustang, but it's way too tech'ed out. Fail. The current-gen Mustang is going to end up being the collector's item in 15 years when everyone is daily-driving an EV.

Likewise, Porsche needs to return the 911 to a naturally-aspirated H6 with a manual transmission, and a small touchscreen for CarPlay. Even better if it folds or slides out of the way for the 99% of the time you aren't using it. Because when you are driving a 911 a decade from now, you aren't going to be using it. If you need it, you're driving your Taycan or whatever other EV you have.

> EVs have already passed the ICE in terms of performance and speed

EVs will always be inferior to ICE in corners which is basically all the fun driving.

See the ICEs vs EVs timing at Nurburgring, Spa, Suzuka, Laguna Seca etc.

Always is a long time.

The Taycan is the fastest production car on the Nurburgring, having taken the title back from a different EV.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a40869346/porsch...

Even on the tech side, imagine torque vectoring by independent wheel motors rather than brake application. Or per-wheel traction control in general. EVs take a mass penalty; that's true, but there are tech advancements possible that are easier to do in an EV than an ICE or hybrid.

Everybody is a boss with slick tyres, still they did not beat the record of the AMG GT at 6:48

My error. I had mis-read the article I posted and what I said above was incorrect.

> Your phone and your car have no reason , absolutely no reason to be connected to one amnother

I completely disagree. I don’t want to login to my car. I want to plug-in my phone. When my wife is driving I don’t want to have to logout of my car and log her in. I want her to just plug-in her phone.

I have absolutely no interest in maintaining contacts, settings, and credentials in some “CarOS.” I don’t want to worry about someone borrowing my car and seeing messages, nav history, or contacts. I don’t want to worry about a thief seeing those things.

As I said I will not consider a car without CarPlay, and it has nothing at all to do with iMessage. I have one phone and I want to take that phone and plug it into a car. Period.

And I want the car OS because it creates variability and a diverse landscape.

It’s how you end up with natural selection which produced the central wheel console pioneered by BMW in 2005 and has been the standard for 10 years.

There is a reason why BMW makes cars and Apple makes phones. Right out of the box you cant even charge that brick while listening to music because they killed the 3.5mm jack….at a 1500$ non subsidized price tag.

I would like more diversity too. More importantly, for these systems to communicate over a standard protocol; so I can build my itenerary/playlist(non-Spotify)/location based alerts etc on my desktop/laptop/phone throughout the day and it is ready to go the moment I step inside a car. If I’m on an interesting road or I spot something, I want the voice assistant to seamlessly save the location and my thoughts for later. If I’m talking about something in the car, I want the screen to display useful contextual information (in a privacy safe manner so Google and Amazon are out right off the bat). If I need to make a quick decision about what chores I can take care of while on the road, the car should display immediately what I can realistically achieve given my current location/traffic etc. All without me having to pull over and play with the phone or the car.

Apple gets pretty close with custom apps (that I can build myself) and it’s ecosystem. Car manufacturers are probably a decade away from catching up to present day functionality with phones, let alone be good enough to become dominant by “natural selection”.

Modern lives are complicated. There are a lot of moving parts. We have developed elaborate “second brain” systems to make all this easier, and it not being available in something as significant as transportation (I spend a lot of time in my car), is a huge negative. Why explicitly choose that when there’s a solution already? And when the competition has shown no competence in this area of being able to catch-up ever?

> functionality with phones, let alone be good enough to become dominant by “natural selection

Apple is at the very bottom of the list of companies that can claim to be where they are due to "natural selection".

Without the DOJ there is no Apple, they were essentially chapter 7 bankrupt and were saved by DOJ lawsuit against Microsoft.

Further what natural selection compelled Apple to kill the 3.5mm jack? As it stands a phone with a full listing price of 2000$ and you cannot listen to music while charging it. Absolute nonsense. Further nonsense is the elimination of the home button.

I don't want that kind of nonsense in my car. Maybe I'll look repetitive but BMW central wheel console is the kind of no-nonsense that is unbeaten. Physical buttons and toggles are also unbeaten.

Tesla is a projection of what an infotainment system built by Apple would look like, and it's a nightmare. There is a reason why some things are built in Detroit/Stuttgart while some things are built in California.

> Your phone and your car have no reason , absolutely no reason to be connected to one another

I currently have two cars. I've had many others in the past.

Car: steering, gas, brakes, environmental controls.

Smartphone: Phone, navigation, music.

For me there is one connection: Bluetooth to play the phone's music through the car's speakers. Besides that, I agree - no reason to connect. But I feel like I'm missing something as there is so much discussion about connecting them.

here's one reason : car companies use dog slow tech because they care more about extreme conditons/longetivity/saving a buck. I have seen videos showing the lag on the Taycan's infotainment system and it's just ridiculous. If it feels dated on arrival, I can't imagine in 10 years.

Now the reason : it became too slow because of software updates? You can just upgrade your phone (which you are gonna do anyway) instead of ditching your whole car!

I'm confused - my car goes just as fast when I push on the gas pedal ;)

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